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You can't. I'm in SF, and you need to realize that the people already here are not paying the market rates for housing, either via rent or via property taxes.

by scoofy 1mo ago

You can't. I'm in SF, and you need to realize that the people already here are not paying the market rates for housing, either via rent or via property taxes. The current rate for a two bedroom in most of SF is approaching $6000/month right now. Apartments at $5000 have lines of applicants. My partner and I are paying about half that for our apartment... and we haven't lived here that long. If we were trying to move here for work now, we absolutely wouldn't be able to afford it.

malfist 1mo ago
You're literally living in SF right now and talk about the line of applicants for rent. You are literally describing a place people live and are living in.
- scoofy 1mo ago
  When there is a line of 50 people to see an apartment, and there are only 10 apartments in the city this month, 40 of those people aren't going to be able to afford housing. We're living in a real life game of musical chairs here. Yes. Couples with two incomes and successful careers can build a life here. The question is how normal, single people build a life here.
mcntsh 1mo ago
Looking at Zillow, there are 64 2-bedroom apartments in SF alone for <= $4k. If you expand your search out of the city the number becomes much higher...
- scoofy 1mo ago
  26 of those units are a dorm at SF State. Most of the rest are effectively Bayview, Ingleside/Oceanview, and the Tendernob. I'm not going to argue that you couldn't live in those locations at all. People do, and I'm sure they're lovely. I actually think Ingleside is pretty doable, but it's a very long commute for the price. I'm not going to live in the Tenderloin, and you're probably not going to either. I'm counting 7 apartments (arguably 8) outside of those neighborhoods, and half of those don't list the square footage (a 600sqft "two bedroom" is not a two bedroom).
  - mcntsh 1mo ago
    You're moving the goalposts here now to make it seem like the baseline-acceptable lifestyle for someone in the Bay is to live directly in San Francisco and have a short commute in a desirable area with adequate space. By the way, the Bay is bigger than SF. People commute from Milbrae, Daly City, Richmond into SF every day by train and it takes less than an hour.
    - scoofy 1mo ago
      You're moving the goalposts, not me. I specifically said >current rate for a two bedroom in most of SF for a reason. Yes, you can get a cheaper place if you live in a place you don't want to live, but my point is that you don't want to live there. This entire thread is about how tech is moving to NYC, exactly because it's difficult to build a good life in SF. I'm saying, yes the prices have increased to the point where you can't build a good life in SF. If you want to live in the Tenderloin or a dorm at SF State University... by all means go for it, and good luck to you. I'd much rather pack up and move to NYC than live like that.
      - mcntsh 1mo ago
        You said "you can't" (live in the bay, anymore, on less than 200k). The bay is bigger than SF.
        scoofy 1mo ago
        >Nearly a million people do This is referring to SF, not "the Bay." SF has a population of "nearly a million." The Bay Area has a population of 8 million.
simoncion 1mo ago
> The current rate for a two bedroom in most of SF... And the thing about that "two bedroom" is that it probably would have been classified as a one bedroom ~fifteen years ago. Much-to-most of the time, an "N-bedroom" apartment gives you N bedrooms, a kitchen, a bathroom and -if you're lucky- a small amount of closet space. Living room? Study? Get fucked, those are for owners, or folks who started renting 10->20+ years ago.

by scoofy 1mo ago

malfist 1mo ago

You're literally living in SF right now and talk about the line of applicants for rent. You are literally describing a place people live and are living in.

scoofy 1mo ago
When there is a line of 50 people to see an apartment, and there are only 10 apartments in the city this month, 40 of those people aren't going to be able to afford housing. We're living in a real life game of musical chairs here. Yes. Couples with two incomes and successful careers can build a life here. The question is how normal, single people build a life here.

mcntsh 1mo ago

Looking at Zillow, there are 64 2-bedroom apartments in SF alone for <= $4k. If you expand your search out of the city the number becomes much higher...

scoofy 1mo ago
26 of those units are a dorm at SF State. Most of the rest are effectively Bayview, Ingleside/Oceanview, and the Tendernob. I'm not going to argue that you couldn't live in those locations at all. People do, and I'm sure they're lovely. I actually think Ingleside is pretty doable, but it's a very long commute for the price. I'm not going to live in the Tenderloin, and you're probably not going to either. I'm counting 7 apartments (arguably 8) outside of those neighborhoods, and half of those don't list the square footage (a 600sqft "two bedroom" is not a two bedroom).
- mcntsh 1mo ago
  You're moving the goalposts here now to make it seem like the baseline-acceptable lifestyle for someone in the Bay is to live directly in San Francisco and have a short commute in a desirable area with adequate space. By the way, the Bay is bigger than SF. People commute from Milbrae, Daly City, Richmond into SF every day by train and it takes less than an hour.
  - scoofy 1mo ago
    You're moving the goalposts, not me. I specifically said >current rate for a two bedroom in most of SF for a reason. Yes, you can get a cheaper place if you live in a place you don't want to live, but my point is that you don't want to live there. This entire thread is about how tech is moving to NYC, exactly because it's difficult to build a good life in SF. I'm saying, yes the prices have increased to the point where you can't build a good life in SF. If you want to live in the Tenderloin or a dorm at SF State University... by all means go for it, and good luck to you. I'd much rather pack up and move to NYC than live like that.
    - mcntsh 1mo ago
      You said "you can't" (live in the bay, anymore, on less than 200k). The bay is bigger than SF.
      - scoofy 1mo ago
        >Nearly a million people do This is referring to SF, not "the Bay." SF has a population of "nearly a million." The Bay Area has a population of 8 million.

simoncion 1mo ago

> The current rate for a two bedroom in most of SF... And the thing about that "two bedroom" is that it probably would have been classified as a one bedroom ~fifteen years ago. Much-to-most of the time, an "N-bedroom" apartment gives you N bedrooms, a kitchen, a bathroom and -if you're lucky- a small amount of closet space. Living room? Study? Get fucked, those are for owners, or folks who started renting 10->20+ years ago.