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I would totally agree with you if I trusted the government

• Groxx 2mo ago
  Yeah - this is the important part. With a truly benevolent government I think this may in fact be the best option... But not only do you have to trust the government now (and you likely should not), you also need to trust the government far into the future (which you absolutely cannot do) because the tools will still exist. Don't accept tools that are also strong weapons for oppression.
  • barbazoo 2mo ago
    OP made the mistake and included ALPRs in their list IMO. Because I'm having a hard time imagining how a sensor triggered red light camera could be used for oppression.
    • Groxx 2mo ago
      Have them take pictures of every car, now you've got half of what flock offers. It's the widespread remote camera installs that are the main problem there. If they kept data locally and had to be collected by hand, it might be fine - that's difficult enough to grow to monitor everyone all the time. Aside from using film though, I'm not sure how that would be achieved. (To be clear, I really do think we should be prosecuting speeding (and tailgating) MUCH more than we do. Far more death and damage occurs from it than we should allow. But ubiquitous networked cameras are not the way we should do that.)
      • ranger_danger 2mo ago
        > But ubiquitous networked cameras are not the way we should do that How else should it be done? I think they're going to pick the cheapest option most of the time.
        • Groxx 2mo ago
          Which is why you don't install them widely enough to enable broad surveillance, yes. Temporary additions to problem-areas can be fine though. Scale is part of the "should this be allowed" equation, we allow extremely intrusive things when they're tightly scoped (and court approved).