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Voting is choose between two terrible candidates, neither of which represent the majority of any group’s interests. No one ever elected has delivered 100% sati

Voting is choose between two terrible candidates, neither of which represent the majority of any group’s interests. No one ever elected has delivered 100% satisfaction to the majority of their constituents.

summerdown2 2mo ago
> Voting is choose between two terrible candidates This framing makes it seem like the candidates are identically terrible. Which is never the case.
- voakbasda 2mo ago
  Correct. They each offer their own unique flavor of extreme terrible.
  - Gormo 2mo ago
    And are able to capitalize on the fact that some voters are more afraid of terrible outcome A than terrible outcome B, and others are the reverse, to shoehorn both A and B into policy.
stouset 2mo ago
Edited this after the fact to reduce the intensity of my tone. This “both sides” nonsense is not particularly convincing when one party literally has masked goons on the street sending people extrajudicially to concentration camps.
amavect 2mo ago
A reminder to support approval voting, star voting, and proportional voting so we can end the 2 party system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhO6jfHPFQU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhO6jfHPFQU https://www.equal.vote/ https://www.equal.vote/
- Gormo 2mo ago
  Approval voting is reasonable, but a ranked-choice ballot with either IRV or a Condorcet tabulation would be better. Proportional representation would be catastrophically worse than the status quo.
  - amavect 1mo ago
    Ranked choice is not better. It has the center squeeze effect.
    - ClayShentrup 1mo ago
      this! https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representation-fallacy-553846a383b3 https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representat...
  - ClayShentrup 1mo ago
    no, it would not be better. see voter satisfaction efficiency metrics from monte carlo simulation here. https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representation-fallacy-553846a383b3 https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representat...
- ClayShentrup 1mo ago
  score voting is simpler and better than STAR voting in every way, and approval voting is radically simpler and better in most scenarios. https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-only-voting-reform-worth-funding-5776beefdd2b https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-only-voting-reform-worth... and PR is a red herring. https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representation-fallacy-553846a383b3 https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representat...
  - amavect 1mo ago
    Thanks for sharing! I love approval voting the most by pure simplicity and effectiveness. How does score voting work better than STAR? I thought STAR degenerates into score voting when clone candidates run? I haven't heard much of an argument against proportional voting before. Your article just casts doubt, but doesn't really make a decisive argument against. I actually don't like proportional voting because it reifies parties into the system, but I only support it because I think it can break the party duopoly and step towards better systems. I should rethink that.

summerdown2 2mo ago

> Voting is choose between two terrible candidates This framing makes it seem like the candidates are identically terrible. Which is never the case.

voakbasda 2mo ago
Correct. They each offer their own unique flavor of extreme terrible.
- Gormo 2mo ago
  And are able to capitalize on the fact that some voters are more afraid of terrible outcome A than terrible outcome B, and others are the reverse, to shoehorn both A and B into policy.

stouset 2mo ago

Edited this after the fact to reduce the intensity of my tone. This “both sides” nonsense is not particularly convincing when one party literally has masked goons on the street sending people extrajudicially to concentration camps.

amavect 2mo ago

A reminder to support approval voting, star voting, and proportional voting so we can end the 2 party system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhO6jfHPFQU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhO6jfHPFQU https://www.equal.vote/ https://www.equal.vote/

Gormo 2mo ago
Approval voting is reasonable, but a ranked-choice ballot with either IRV or a Condorcet tabulation would be better. Proportional representation would be catastrophically worse than the status quo.
- amavect 1mo ago
  Ranked choice is not better. It has the center squeeze effect.
  - ClayShentrup 1mo ago
    this! https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representation-fallacy-553846a383b3 https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representat...
- ClayShentrup 1mo ago
  no, it would not be better. see voter satisfaction efficiency metrics from monte carlo simulation here. https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representation-fallacy-553846a383b3 https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representat...
ClayShentrup 1mo ago
score voting is simpler and better than STAR voting in every way, and approval voting is radically simpler and better in most scenarios. https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-only-voting-reform-worth-funding-5776beefdd2b https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-only-voting-reform-worth... and PR is a red herring. https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representation-fallacy-553846a383b3 https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representat...
- amavect 1mo ago
  Thanks for sharing! I love approval voting the most by pure simplicity and effectiveness. How does score voting work better than STAR? I thought STAR degenerates into score voting when clone candidates run? I haven't heard much of an argument against proportional voting before. Your article just casts doubt, but doesn't really make a decisive argument against. I actually don't like proportional voting because it reifies parties into the system, but I only support it because I think it can break the party duopoly and step towards better systems. I should rethink that.