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Why one would care? Look at your comment from two days ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49363319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49363319 > I ho

Why one would care? Look at your comment from two days ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49363319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49363319 > I hope we'll figure out some equitable society before that, but I'm not going to bet on it, so I'll do what I can to be on the side of the winners. Obviously people care if they think they might lose out. Is it going to be this hopes-and-prayers about egalitarianism/ah screw it I hope I get to oppress and dominate the majority? Or all of us sipping wine on the beach for eternity? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49366313 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49366313 You gotta pick a lane with your rah-rah-ism.

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I believe 4 things: 1) We're building a tool that can make toil of every kind obsolete. We're not there yet, but I'm watching it happen in real time. 2) The fact that it works so well economically means that it's inevitably going to take over. Humans simply won't be profitably employable, and this will happen sooner than you think. 3) The takeover could lead to a utopia, where nothing is needed of anyone, and you could do what you want when you want it. 4) Humans are likely fuck that up, and it's worth doing what you can to end up in the group that benefits. Sipping wine on the beach isn't mutually exclusive with a great deal going to the winners. I do not believe that human brains are magical, and I think that they can be surpassed with manufactured brains. Concerns over equitable the distribution is doesn't affect the value of skills. I get it, there's a strong anti-AI vibe here because of point 4. I'm somewhat worried, but I'm also really excited about the possiblilities, and I don't think we can avoid going to a fully AI future no matter how anti-AI you are; we can only figure out where to set the dial on how the rewards get shared.
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  Points one and two are irrelevant to my comment, but that’s fine. I don’t expect any thoughts to be spent on whether not to deploy that stump speech. What doesn’t make sense in points 3 and 4 are that the AI takeover is lead and powered by vile cretin scum who, in their former more honest days, were gleefully announcing the end of labor power. Being lead by them, how could it lead to “utopia”? Well, there are two possibilities that some AI evangelist might bring up. 1. It’s the volition of the AI that could lead to the “utopia”—they/it simply take charge after some threshold 2. No, it is still human-lead This point (1) conflicts with your own point (4) though; the all-powerful (or converging on at least) AI is foiled by human sins? How? The other point (2) conflicts with my point about how it is the vile cretins who are in charge of AI.
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    All powerful? nah, just better at thinking than humans are, and shaped by the way that they were produced. Humans still carry the stamps of where they came from, for example the fear of snakes[1]. AI will probably have an "instinctive" liking for people, an an "instinctive" respect for human law, to the degree that the initial training set them up for it. Utopian and not is a gradient, not a dichotomy, and where we land on the gradient is a matter of how things shape up in the next several years. https://www.smu.edu/news/archives/2012/thomas-headland-mother-nature-network-23mar2012 https://www.smu.edu/news/archives/2012/thomas-headland-mothe....

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I believe 4 things: 1) We're building a tool that can make toil of every kind obsolete. We're not there yet, but I'm watching it happen in real time. 2) The fact that it works so well economically means that it's inevitably going to take over. Humans simply won't be profitably employable, and this will happen sooner than you think. 3) The takeover could lead to a utopia, where nothing is needed of anyone, and you could do what you want when you want it. 4) Humans are likely fuck that up, and it's worth doing what you can to end up in the group that benefits. Sipping wine on the beach isn't mutually exclusive with a great deal going to the winners. I do not believe that human brains are magical, and I think that they can be surpassed with manufactured brains. Concerns over equitable the distribution is doesn't affect the value of skills. I get it, there's a strong anti-AI vibe here because of point 4. I'm somewhat worried, but I'm also really excited about the possiblilities, and I don't think we can avoid going to a fully AI future no matter how anti-AI you are; we can only figure out where to set the dial on how the rewards get shared.

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Points one and two are irrelevant to my comment, but that’s fine. I don’t expect any thoughts to be spent on whether not to deploy that stump speech. What doesn’t make sense in points 3 and 4 are that the AI takeover is lead and powered by vile cretin scum who, in their former more honest days, were gleefully announcing the end of labor power. Being lead by them, how could it lead to “utopia”? Well, there are two possibilities that some AI evangelist might bring up. 1. It’s the volition of the AI that could lead to the “utopia”—they/it simply take charge after some threshold 2. No, it is still human-lead This point (1) conflicts with your own point (4) though; the all-powerful (or converging on at least) AI is foiled by human sins? How? The other point (2) conflicts with my point about how it is the vile cretins who are in charge of AI.
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  All powerful? nah, just better at thinking than humans are, and shaped by the way that they were produced. Humans still carry the stamps of where they came from, for example the fear of snakes[1]. AI will probably have an "instinctive" liking for people, an an "instinctive" respect for human law, to the degree that the initial training set them up for it. Utopian and not is a gradient, not a dichotomy, and where we land on the gradient is a matter of how things shape up in the next several years. https://www.smu.edu/news/archives/2012/thomas-headland-mother-nature-network-23mar2012 https://www.smu.edu/news/archives/2012/thomas-headland-mothe....