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Terrorism requires people to be in terror. Is putting the flock cameras up or taking them down causing more terror?

lokar 1mo ago
Or more narrowly, terrorism is the use or threat of violence to influence a political outcome. Clearly not the case here
- exe34 1mo ago
  The political outcome is that Peter Thiel wants to have full control of all security apparatus around the world. Fighting Flock is 100% a political fight.
bko 1mo ago
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- tstenner 1mo ago
  Unless you're an [ex-partner and/or woman seeking an out of state abortion](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/aug/13/flock-safety-police-abuse-surveillance-cameras https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/aug/13/flock-saf...). So it's like deflating a police car's tires while the occupant is getting ready to stalk his ex-girlfriend.
- swiftcoder 1mo ago
  > It's like cutting the brakes of police cars or deflating their tires These two things are decidedly not on the same level. Cutting someone's brakes is an attempt to kill the driver. Deflating tires is just plain old property damage.
- Gormo 1mo ago
  From what I'm seeing online, it looks like Houston started installing Flock cameras in 2022. How were they investigating kidnapping cases before that? I'd be astonished if decades of methodology and infrastructure for investigating crime have all completely evaporated in the wake of a new and experimental tool -- one that's neither fully demonstrated its reliability as an investigation tool nor that it does not itself create a threat to public safety. It's a bit polemical to blame their failure to apprehend their suspect on the lack of an tool that shouldn't have been necessary to apprehend the suspect in the first place, don't you think?
- strbean 1mo ago
  Just think of all the crime against children that is made harder to investigate because we aren't all required to have state monitoring devices in our homes and on all our electronic devices! What a hilariously bad argument.

lokar 1mo ago

Or more narrowly, terrorism is the use or threat of violence to influence a political outcome. Clearly not the case here

exe34 1mo ago
The political outcome is that Peter Thiel wants to have full control of all security apparatus around the world. Fighting Flock is 100% a political fight.

bko 1mo ago

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tstenner 1mo ago
Unless you're an [ex-partner and/or woman seeking an out of state abortion](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/aug/13/flock-safety-police-abuse-surveillance-cameras https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/aug/13/flock-saf...). So it's like deflating a police car's tires while the occupant is getting ready to stalk his ex-girlfriend.
swiftcoder 1mo ago
> It's like cutting the brakes of police cars or deflating their tires These two things are decidedly not on the same level. Cutting someone's brakes is an attempt to kill the driver. Deflating tires is just plain old property damage.
Gormo 1mo ago
From what I'm seeing online, it looks like Houston started installing Flock cameras in 2022. How were they investigating kidnapping cases before that? I'd be astonished if decades of methodology and infrastructure for investigating crime have all completely evaporated in the wake of a new and experimental tool -- one that's neither fully demonstrated its reliability as an investigation tool nor that it does not itself create a threat to public safety. It's a bit polemical to blame their failure to apprehend their suspect on the lack of an tool that shouldn't have been necessary to apprehend the suspect in the first place, don't you think?
strbean 1mo ago
Just think of all the crime against children that is made harder to investigate because we aren't all required to have state monitoring devices in our homes and on all our electronic devices! What a hilariously bad argument.