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`Included batteries` and type safety are not the only but imho surely the most important criteria for software projects (I am excluding throw-away code and scri

`Included batteries` and type safety are not the only but imho surely the most important criteria for software projects (I am excluding throw-away code and scripts). The article raises an important point but fails to teach the reader about the JVM ecosystem and the .net core ecosystem. The standard libraries of these two zoo's of programming languages vastly eclipse what the discussed languages offer (Go, Python and Rust). For example, this is asp.net core: <https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/?view=aspnetcore-10.0 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/?view=aspnetco...>. This is the std lib: <https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/?view=net-10.0 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/?view=net-10.0>. This is EF core: <https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/ef/core/ https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/ef/core/>. There are many more (optional) technologies coming built-in. Your code will typically depend for 98% on official, trusted and vetted code. It might sound like hyperbole but it's reasonable to state that JVM and .net core have no competition if you select for these aspects. I know, programming languages and religion... So do whatever you want with this information.

butvacuum 2mo ago
foot note for people not in the know- theres(in chronological order): 1) .Net Framework 2) .Net Core 3) .Net. Basically everything mentioned these days is just .Net, but core is often added because microsoft used such an ambiguous name.
Mawr 1mo ago
You miss the point by a mile. It's not about the sheer number of code you have. It's very easy to just add random stuff and bloat your stdlib, like e.g. Python has done. You want the right amount of the right libraries that are of high enough quality. Java is the funniest example you could have given since Guava and Apache Commons, which are alternative implementations of the stdlib exist. Why do they exist? Because the Java stdlib has historically been pathetic in its quality - you still can't parse json, the basic act of opening a file has historically been laughable, etc. You want at the least the basic building blocks like strings, unicode, collections, datetime, json, web server, http, db handling, regex, crypto, etc. to be good enough to use for 90%+ of projects and/or to provide the right interfaces for 3rd party options to hook into, to maintain compatibility. Languages that either have incredibly poor implementations of those or don't offer them at all suck, no matter how many xml parsers or telnet libraries they may implement.

butvacuum 2mo ago

foot note for people not in the know- theres(in chronological order): 1) .Net Framework 2) .Net Core 3) .Net. Basically everything mentioned these days is just .Net, but core is often added because microsoft used such an ambiguous name.

Mawr 1mo ago

You miss the point by a mile. It's not about the sheer number of code you have. It's very easy to just add random stuff and bloat your stdlib, like e.g. Python has done. You want the right amount of the right libraries that are of high enough quality. Java is the funniest example you could have given since Guava and Apache Commons, which are alternative implementations of the stdlib exist. Why do they exist? Because the Java stdlib has historically been pathetic in its quality - you still can't parse json, the basic act of opening a file has historically been laughable, etc. You want at the least the basic building blocks like strings, unicode, collections, datetime, json, web server, http, db handling, regex, crypto, etc. to be good enough to use for 90%+ of projects and/or to provide the right interfaces for 3rd party options to hook into, to maintain compatibility. Languages that either have incredibly poor implementations of those or don't offer them at all suck, no matter how many xml parsers or telnet libraries they may implement.