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This is a bizarre take. Despite propaganda to the contrary most "pro-palestine" takes are actually just anti-genocide and pro-human-rights. Similarly at least i

This is a bizarre take. Despite propaganda to the contrary most "pro-palestine" takes are actually just anti-genocide and pro-human-rights. Similarly at least in the US this "iranian camp" you refer to is by and large an anti-getting-involved camp. Is it really pro-iranian to ask why the government is burning billions of dollars to destabilize the global economy? Also I've yet to meet a single person who was "pro-palestine" and simultaneously sympathetic to russia. Quite the opposite.

pjc50 2mo ago
Most, yes, but there is a noisy lunatic fringe on social media whose existence we must acknowledge. Recent example is Eleanora Folan, a minor politician in a minor UK party. Of course as you say there's also people trying to lump the many "we should stop mass murder of civilians" people into the same bucket as the negatively polarized "we hate Israel therefore we're going to support Iran" few. Discourse is exhaustingly stupid.
dismalaf 2mo ago
You need to pay attention then. https://kyivindependent.com/pro-palestinian-activists-destroy-ukrainian-aid-worth-1-million-confusing-it-with-israeli-06-2025/ https://kyivindependent.com/pro-palestinian-activists-destro... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy7x68jrdmlo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy7x68jrdmlo https://time.com/6589923/nancy-pelosi-pro-palestinian-protests-foreign-influence-russia-china/ https://time.com/6589923/nancy-pelosi-pro-palestinian-protes... https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/russias-relationship-hamas-and-putins-global-calculations https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/russias-... And this isn't counting the countless TikTok influencers, trade unions, etc... that are all anti-"war" and have pro-IRGC and pro-China views. And while you're kind of right that few are outright carrying water for Russia, at least publicly, they all conveniently support what Russia supports.
- fc417fc802 2mo ago
  This ranges from propaganda to entirely unsurprising. Propagandists work to hamper causes that are inconvenient for their side. Meanwhile of course our geopolitical adversaries will offer support to otherwise seemingly unrelated causes if it somehow indirectly serves their ends. The average joe in the US (and presumably the west more generally) does not care one whit about the causes of russia or iran.
  - dismalaf 2mo ago
    > The average joe in the US (and presumably the west more generally) does not care one whit about the causes of russia or iran. It's not about caring about Russia or Iran specifically. It's about the fact they're swayed by propaganda so the end result is they end up unwittingly adopting the worldview pushed by enemy propagandists and helping to destroy western civilization.
    - fc417fc802 2mo ago
      At this point you've completely shifted the goal posts and are no longer arguing your original position. Sure, my wondering "why are we burning billions in iran" happens to align with iran's interests. It's also directly representative of my own interests. The fact that some subset of people will be swayed by propaganda does not constitute a valid argument against a given position. If we uniformly apply the same standard you're demonstrating here then your own position would be attributed to being swayed by state propaganda and thus your actions interpreted as helping american propagandists destroy civil society. tl;dr You're espousing anti-intellectual BS that has no place on HN. Kindly take your braindead political takes back to twitter or wherever the hell they came from.
      - dismalaf 2mo ago
        > You're espousing anti-intellectual BS that has no place on HN. ChatGPT write this? > Sure, my wondering "why are we burning billions in iran" happens to align with iran's interests So naturally you're against lots of other programs that waste billions? Or just this one? > your own position would be attributed to being swayed by state propaganda and thus your actions interpreted as helping american propagandists destroy civil society Except my position is pro-west and anti-terrorist supporting dictatorships. It's the old duck test: if it walks like a duck... And for the record, I'm against both sides of the horseshoe who are bought by enemy propaganda...

pjc50 2mo ago

Most, yes, but there is a noisy lunatic fringe on social media whose existence we must acknowledge. Recent example is Eleanora Folan, a minor politician in a minor UK party. Of course as you say there's also people trying to lump the many "we should stop mass murder of civilians" people into the same bucket as the negatively polarized "we hate Israel therefore we're going to support Iran" few. Discourse is exhaustingly stupid.

dismalaf 2mo ago

You need to pay attention then. https://kyivindependent.com/pro-palestinian-activists-destroy-ukrainian-aid-worth-1-million-confusing-it-with-israeli-06-2025/ https://kyivindependent.com/pro-palestinian-activists-destro... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy7x68jrdmlo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy7x68jrdmlo https://time.com/6589923/nancy-pelosi-pro-palestinian-protests-foreign-influence-russia-china/ https://time.com/6589923/nancy-pelosi-pro-palestinian-protes... https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/russias-relationship-hamas-and-putins-global-calculations https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/russias-... And this isn't counting the countless TikTok influencers, trade unions, etc... that are all anti-"war" and have pro-IRGC and pro-China views. And while you're kind of right that few are outright carrying water for Russia, at least publicly, they all conveniently support what Russia supports.

fc417fc802 2mo ago
This ranges from propaganda to entirely unsurprising. Propagandists work to hamper causes that are inconvenient for their side. Meanwhile of course our geopolitical adversaries will offer support to otherwise seemingly unrelated causes if it somehow indirectly serves their ends. The average joe in the US (and presumably the west more generally) does not care one whit about the causes of russia or iran.
- dismalaf 2mo ago
  > The average joe in the US (and presumably the west more generally) does not care one whit about the causes of russia or iran. It's not about caring about Russia or Iran specifically. It's about the fact they're swayed by propaganda so the end result is they end up unwittingly adopting the worldview pushed by enemy propagandists and helping to destroy western civilization.
  - fc417fc802 2mo ago
    At this point you've completely shifted the goal posts and are no longer arguing your original position. Sure, my wondering "why are we burning billions in iran" happens to align with iran's interests. It's also directly representative of my own interests. The fact that some subset of people will be swayed by propaganda does not constitute a valid argument against a given position. If we uniformly apply the same standard you're demonstrating here then your own position would be attributed to being swayed by state propaganda and thus your actions interpreted as helping american propagandists destroy civil society. tl;dr You're espousing anti-intellectual BS that has no place on HN. Kindly take your braindead political takes back to twitter or wherever the hell they came from.
    - dismalaf 2mo ago
      > You're espousing anti-intellectual BS that has no place on HN. ChatGPT write this? > Sure, my wondering "why are we burning billions in iran" happens to align with iran's interests So naturally you're against lots of other programs that waste billions? Or just this one? > your own position would be attributed to being swayed by state propaganda and thus your actions interpreted as helping american propagandists destroy civil society Except my position is pro-west and anti-terrorist supporting dictatorships. It's the old duck test: if it walks like a duck... And for the record, I'm against both sides of the horseshoe who are bought by enemy propaganda...