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And this means nothing, yet I’m not complaining endlessly about it on social media, or harassing my coworkers about it. Curious

by phoghed 2mo ago

mdp2021 2mo ago
My post «When I am told "beware of the xyphucymmon", I do beware, though not of the xyphucymmon» had meaning, which should be pretty clear. The reply remains: debate is not performance art in which you convey "through the medium of dance and howls". So, yes, communication has obligations for the locutor. So, yes, imperfect speech is a problem - because societies are not performance art arenas. -- @Razengan: speaking as myself a vocal critic of the downvoting system here, do notice that the post you replied to had a substantive reply at the time of downvote - mine. That is sufficent to justify the downvote - of a post that was not «perfectly fine». It somehow said that people should be free to say whatever they want and there are obvious reasons why we do not agree.
- phoghed 2mo ago
  I mostly agree with your original point. Is it thinking? Is it intelligent? Is it conscious? From my perspective, overloaded words that we’ve reserved to make ourselves feel more special and above other members of the animal kingdom. But you’ve not adequately communicated why you care so much whether anyone labels an LLM as such.
  - mdp2021 2mo ago
    > Is it thinking? Is it intelligent? Is it conscious? Very different things. "Thinking": "Dijkstra". We try to hire more intelligent people, while we do not have a clear idea on a property of "conscious" which would make hiring preferable. > to make ourselves feel Irrational. > above other members of the animal kingdom Irrational. > why you care so much There should be no hint that I would do specifically. > whether anyone labels an LLM as such If anyone labels an LLM <whatever>, the point of why would that be important should be clear. And, > if it hardly means anything why would you be so concerned when it’s uttered? Just ignore it Because the behaviour you suggest, consistent with the exchanges in an opium parlor, is not behaviour consistent in normal contexts.

And this means nothing, yet I’m not complaining endlessly about it on social media, or harassing my coworkers about it. Curious

by phoghed 2mo ago

And this means nothing, yet I’m not complaining endlessly about it on social media, or harassing my coworkers about it. Curious

mdp2021 2mo ago

My post «When I am told "beware of the xyphucymmon", I do beware, though not of the xyphucymmon» had meaning, which should be pretty clear. The reply remains: debate is not performance art in which you convey "through the medium of dance and howls". So, yes, communication has obligations for the locutor. So, yes, imperfect speech is a problem - because societies are not performance art arenas. -- @Razengan: speaking as myself a vocal critic of the downvoting system here, do notice that the post you replied to had a substantive reply at the time of downvote - mine. That is sufficent to justify the downvote - of a post that was not «perfectly fine». It somehow said that people should be free to say whatever they want and there are obvious reasons why we do not agree.

phoghed 2mo ago
I mostly agree with your original point. Is it thinking? Is it intelligent? Is it conscious? From my perspective, overloaded words that we’ve reserved to make ourselves feel more special and above other members of the animal kingdom. But you’ve not adequately communicated why you care so much whether anyone labels an LLM as such.
- mdp2021 2mo ago
  > Is it thinking? Is it intelligent? Is it conscious? Very different things. "Thinking": "Dijkstra". We try to hire more intelligent people, while we do not have a clear idea on a property of "conscious" which would make hiring preferable. > to make ourselves feel Irrational. > above other members of the animal kingdom Irrational. > why you care so much There should be no hint that I would do specifically. > whether anyone labels an LLM as such If anyone labels an LLM <whatever>, the point of why would that be important should be clear. And, > if it hardly means anything why would you be so concerned when it’s uttered? Just ignore it Because the behaviour you suggest, consistent with the exchanges in an opium parlor, is not behaviour consistent in normal contexts.