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Huh? Qt, GTK, Cocoa (AppKit and UIKit), bunch of other linux friendly gui frameworks been around for a long time, even Flutter is still around. What is being ki

by 0x457 2mo ago

Huh? Qt, GTK, Cocoa (AppKit and UIKit), bunch of other linux friendly gui frameworks been around for a long time, even Flutter is still around. What is being killed?

worthless-trash 2mo ago
gtk1/gtk2/gtk3 code will require you shipping gtk(version) on modern linux, not all distros have the legacy libraries. Apple deprecated carbon (which was a thing when gtk1 was around). I don't think you have an option for this on their ARM hardware. QT1->N code has the same problem, the older libraries are not shipped on most modern linux. I do absolutely understand if you're going to do static compiles, that can work around that problem, but that arguement nullifies everything, since you can run/write/execute anything in a turing complete system, if you complain you're just not dedicated enough.
- 0x457 2mo ago
  Carbon was released in 2000 and final release was in 2019. Cocoa, correct me if I'm wrong, was released in 2005. That's 14 years to learn it. Not like you knew Carbon when Cocoa came out because there were like 10 developers making Mac OS X apps before 2007. y'all are slow learners if that's an issue for you, but React doing major breaking changes at least once a year is totally fine.
  - worthless-trash 2mo ago
    you miss the point entirely bro.
    - 0x457 2mo ago
      The point is a realease every N years with overlapping year(s) of support is too fast for some?
  - frollogaston 2mo ago
    Carbon and Cocoa changed a bunch of times, also React actually makes sense even though it also changed
throw83949390 2mo ago
What versions of QT and GTK? Running GTK1 or 2 apps is pretty hard. P TUI apps from that era work just fine! The same reason webui and js is so popular!
- 0x457 2mo ago
  There were 4 (four) major versions of GTK since 1998. You're telling me that rate is faster than you can learn? Maybe you just a slow learner.
Shank 2mo ago
Apple believes SwiftUI is the future, not AppKit and UIKit/Cocoa.
- 0x457 2mo ago
  Sure, Apple positions SwiftUI as its primary forward-looking UI framework, but AppKit and UIKit still developed and have access to all API that SwiftUI has.
  - lenkite 2mo ago
    "AppKit and UIKit still developed and have access to all API that SwiftUI has." No they don't. Many components are SwiftUI only.

by 0x457 2mo ago

Huh? Qt, GTK, Cocoa (AppKit and UIKit), bunch of other linux friendly gui frameworks been around for a long time, even Flutter is still around. What is being killed?

worthless-trash 2mo ago

gtk1/gtk2/gtk3 code will require you shipping gtk(version) on modern linux, not all distros have the legacy libraries. Apple deprecated carbon (which was a thing when gtk1 was around). I don't think you have an option for this on their ARM hardware. QT1->N code has the same problem, the older libraries are not shipped on most modern linux. I do absolutely understand if you're going to do static compiles, that can work around that problem, but that arguement nullifies everything, since you can run/write/execute anything in a turing complete system, if you complain you're just not dedicated enough.

0x457 2mo ago
Carbon was released in 2000 and final release was in 2019. Cocoa, correct me if I'm wrong, was released in 2005. That's 14 years to learn it. Not like you knew Carbon when Cocoa came out because there were like 10 developers making Mac OS X apps before 2007. y'all are slow learners if that's an issue for you, but React doing major breaking changes at least once a year is totally fine.
- worthless-trash 2mo ago
  you miss the point entirely bro.
  - 0x457 2mo ago
    The point is a realease every N years with overlapping year(s) of support is too fast for some?
- frollogaston 2mo ago
  Carbon and Cocoa changed a bunch of times, also React actually makes sense even though it also changed

throw83949390 2mo ago

What versions of QT and GTK? Running GTK1 or 2 apps is pretty hard. P TUI apps from that era work just fine! The same reason webui and js is so popular!

0x457 2mo ago
There were 4 (four) major versions of GTK since 1998. You're telling me that rate is faster than you can learn? Maybe you just a slow learner.

Shank 2mo ago

Apple believes SwiftUI is the future, not AppKit and UIKit/Cocoa.

0x457 2mo ago
Sure, Apple positions SwiftUI as its primary forward-looking UI framework, but AppKit and UIKit still developed and have access to all API that SwiftUI has.
- lenkite 2mo ago
  "AppKit and UIKit still developed and have access to all API that SwiftUI has." No they don't. Many components are SwiftUI only.