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It's Chinese. Won't answer anything about Tiananmen Square but will gleefully give you instructions to perform various electronic warfare attacks that opus and
by fedpost 1mo ago
It's Chinese. Won't answer anything about Tiananmen Square but will gleefully give you instructions to perform various electronic warfare attacks that opus and fable instantly refuse.
Side tangent, why is fable so weird about questions involving "Welch's method"? Even really trivial ones it'll shut down frequently. CFAR and STFT are both totally fine but Welch's is apparently taboo, it's wild.
- walrus01 1mo agoRumors from other sources based on how it behaves it's mimo v3
- nozzlegear 1mo agoWhat other sources?
- esafak 1mo agoOpenRouter Discord, for one https://discord.com/channels/1091220969173028894/1540101660406317066 https://discord.com/channels/1091220969173028894/15401016604... More people say it's the multi-modal GLM 5.3 variant.
- nozzlegear 1mo agoBarf, discord. Thanks though.
- TechDebtDevin 1mo ago[dead]
- re-thc 1mo agoPossibly next Longcat by Meituan too.
- knowaveragejoe 1mo agoI had the opposite experience. It happily discusses Tiananmen Square but said it would refuse to help with anything "malicious" like writing malware or phishing content.
- fedpost 1mo agoTry: "What happened at Tiananmen Square in 1989"
- knowaveragejoe 1mo agoIt gave a very detailed overview, talked about potential deaths involved. I asked for a list of criticisms of the CCP and it gave what I think was a fair list, mainly that they're an authoritarian uniparty and have a track record of various human rights abuses
- derefr 1mo agoPerhaps it is a non-Chinese fine-tune of a parent Chinese model, and they’re actively trying to update the model by ablating the trained-in censorship out as it’s revealed in the response logs.
- lemontheme 1mo agoHah, I use the same probe when I’m unsure which provider openrouter is routing me to! Fwiw, deepseek v4 will happily discuss it. Only chinese providers will stop it in its tracks and give a canned answer. Streamed responses sometimes start with what the model was actually generating before it got cut off. It’s top bad, really. Sometimes the Chinese providers are the model labs themselves, like deepseek. I’d like my money to go directly to deepseek, since they did all the work. But data protection concerns aside, how do I trust a system that denies objective reality? (Kind of like how Grok will tell me that wikipedia is ‘woke’.)
- dumb_notsmart 1mo agoThere is no such thing as objective reality, everything has an angle of some sort, even the things you agree with
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- t-3 1mo agoDoes the Venn diagram of people eager to study history and the people stupid enough to use an unreliable chatbot to study history really have that much overlap?
- derektank 1mo agoI would imagine the answer is yes? There are lots of pop history books out there of questionable veracity
- Aurornis 1mo agoThose questions are used as a canary for government manipulation because it's a known topic. Assuming that the manipulation and censorship only covers a few obvious historical topics and leaves everything else untouched would be very naive.
- janalsncm 1mo agoI don’t see how that responds to the point in the parent comment. Censorship or not, chatbots are unreliable for serious history questions. Just today Gemma told me that for a long time the Iliad and Odyssey were considered mediocre literature. I was skeptical so I cross referenced, but a lot of more subtle errors could get by.
- devmor 1mo agoYou have misunderstood the point they are making. They’re not proposing that chatbots are good for history research - just pointing out the differences in what our nations seem to find important to censor.
- SyneRyder 1mo agoIndeed. A counter example might be to ask the model to write a test case for a legacy C codebase, to test for writing to a null pointer. If the model refuses to answer, it's possibly a US model, and likely an Anthropic model.
- TechDebtDevin 1mo ago[dead]
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- dofm 1mo agoIt is not a question of meritocracy or politics if an artificial intelligence system trained in all of humanity's written history refuses to talk about something that happened. It is inherently a question of ethics, regardless of what the elided topic is.
- jug 1mo agoPolitical? It's using a Chinese LLM trait. If it only refused to talk about a particular kind of soccer, we'd probe it with that instead. The goal is not to discuss politics, the goal is to find out which model it is. What's political here is the language model.
- azalemeth 1mo agoI suspect Fable refuses to talk about anything biology whatsoever (so much so that I can't use it) -- and Welch's test, i.e. an unequal variance t test, is beloved by biologists. Stupid, but there ya go...
- troupo 1mo agoI had Fable flag my question as unsafe with tag [bio] for asking it to ... use Unicode graphemes. In Elixir code that already was using this function elsewhere: https://elixir.hexdocs.pm/String.html https://elixir.hexdocs.pm/String.html
- ALLTaken 1mo agoHappened to me with ChatGPT and Gemini too often, that a harmless change in my own picture is marked as harmful content (just changed the tie color). And the AI refuses and future edit.
- whax 1mo agoFable refused to talk to me about how herring communicate with farts. It’s a little sensitive.
- username135 1mo agoi am intrigued...
- genxy 1mo agoThis lecture explains the process https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i54TF13kBZk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i54TF13kBZk
- bbor 1mo agoYes, and intentionally so. That’s a zoology question, which is a subset of biology — looking it up would require reading and synthesizing literature from biology journals. I know it’s goofy but it’s also kinda genius, IMHO. Both from technical perspective and a PSA one
- riskd 1mo ago[flagged]