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Also known as the "don't hate the player, hate the game" defense. > but ultimately to survive as a business like this He runs a popular YouTube channel which

Also known as the "don't hate the player, hate the game" defense. > but ultimately to survive as a business like this He runs a popular YouTube channel which is a giant source of leads, and should be a good way to rank well in Google like all of the other famous YouTube figures who pull this off without creating 100s of AI generated blogspam pages. I know I'm not going to win any arguments against dedicated fans who hang on to his every word as the ground truth, but to me it looks like he's just taking any advantage he can get to grow his business, even if it's AI generated blogspam, scroll hijacking, keyword stuffing, and other tricks that Hacker News readers usually hate. Playing the victim card to pretend like he had to do it doesn't sit well with me, especially since he's done this twice now across two different websites. If you want to do AI SEO blogspam to grow your business, just admit that it's what you're doing without trying to play the victim card at the same time.

efilife 2mo ago
He said that it sucks and we all know it does. I think there's a big difference between vibecoding a product in a week and blogspamming to promote it and running a legitimate business for the past 15 years, and suddenly getting delisted by google. After fighting to get his site back on Google for a YEAR, I can understand his frustration - and would probably do the same. According to him he tried every single legitimate option before finally succumbing. I have no dog in this fight, I disagree with some stuff that he says, just so you know. And what's his other project that you keep mentioning? I haven't heard of it yet. Addendum: the argument of trying to grow hia business may not be valid, as he mentioned that he voluntarily (iirc) shrunk his business lately
- Aurornis 2mo ago
  > And what's his other project that you keep mentioning? I haven't heard of it yet. https://www.fulu.org/ https://www.fulu.org/ They went straight for an AI generated website with a bunch of AI copy that didn't really make sense when they first launched it. I only know this because it got posted here without context and a lot of us were trying to figure out what was going on with that website. IIRC he had the same excuse about not wanting to be delisted by Google, but it was literally a brand new website. I think you're reaching to defend the guy, but it's clear that he just likes to lean into the AI slop and then record 30 minute videos where he explains that he's actually the victim in the whole situation.
  - efilife 2mo ago
    Aren't you misremembering? I checked the first webarchive snapshots of this site and the site is almost the same as today https://web.archive.org/web/20251001004605/https://fulu.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20251001004605/https://fulu.org/ Does the site feel AI-generated to you? Also I may be dumb but I can't find the thread you are talking about, anytime the site got posted it got almost no traction: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=fulu.org&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=fulu.org&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Edit, I think I found it:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45739271 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45739271 I'll read it soon. Another edit: this isn't it. >I think you're reaching to defend the guy I think you don't understand my intentions even though I explicitly stated I don't care about the verdict. I don't care about defending him for the sake of defending him. I defend actions I deem reasonable regardless of who is doing them. You haven't addressed the points from my previous comment, and only picked one so I can't comment much more. >IIRC he had the same excuse about not wanting to be delisted by Google Do you know where I can find him saying this? I'm not requiring you to send me the source, just point me in the right direction. I am always happy to change my opinion when new facts emerge

efilife 2mo ago

He said that it sucks and we all know it does. I think there's a big difference between vibecoding a product in a week and blogspamming to promote it and running a legitimate business for the past 15 years, and suddenly getting delisted by google. After fighting to get his site back on Google for a YEAR, I can understand his frustration - and would probably do the same. According to him he tried every single legitimate option before finally succumbing. I have no dog in this fight, I disagree with some stuff that he says, just so you know. And what's his other project that you keep mentioning? I haven't heard of it yet. Addendum: the argument of trying to grow hia business may not be valid, as he mentioned that he voluntarily (iirc) shrunk his business lately

Aurornis 2mo ago
> And what's his other project that you keep mentioning? I haven't heard of it yet. https://www.fulu.org/ https://www.fulu.org/ They went straight for an AI generated website with a bunch of AI copy that didn't really make sense when they first launched it. I only know this because it got posted here without context and a lot of us were trying to figure out what was going on with that website. IIRC he had the same excuse about not wanting to be delisted by Google, but it was literally a brand new website. I think you're reaching to defend the guy, but it's clear that he just likes to lean into the AI slop and then record 30 minute videos where he explains that he's actually the victim in the whole situation.
- efilife 2mo ago
  Aren't you misremembering? I checked the first webarchive snapshots of this site and the site is almost the same as today https://web.archive.org/web/20251001004605/https://fulu.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20251001004605/https://fulu.org/ Does the site feel AI-generated to you? Also I may be dumb but I can't find the thread you are talking about, anytime the site got posted it got almost no traction: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=fulu.org&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=fulu.org&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Edit, I think I found it:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45739271 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45739271 I'll read it soon. Another edit: this isn't it. >I think you're reaching to defend the guy I think you don't understand my intentions even though I explicitly stated I don't care about the verdict. I don't care about defending him for the sake of defending him. I defend actions I deem reasonable regardless of who is doing them. You haven't addressed the points from my previous comment, and only picked one so I can't comment much more. >IIRC he had the same excuse about not wanting to be delisted by Google Do you know where I can find him saying this? I'm not requiring you to send me the source, just point me in the right direction. I am always happy to change my opinion when new facts emerge