This is going to be my last reply because we are talking past each other. I think it is perfectly fine and logical for you to reply to my logical arguments wit

This is going to be my last reply because we are talking past each other. I think it is perfectly fine and logical for you to reply to my logical arguments with other counter-logical arguments such as: >> Why is difficult grander or more of an achievement? This is not self-evident You could say to you a "grand achievement" is keeping your bloodline as this is what evolution wants us to be. That has some logic. I actually would agree with some of those arguments, and we could go back and forth. Sure, it represents some of our values but you are making at least some logical sense. What I reject is reasoning such as: "Raising kids is probably the most meaningful and significant thing I have done with my life." and when asked clarifications around why that would be the cause, the replies are "feelings, and you will know when you have them".