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> See? Those are logical arguments. They are based on measurable input/outputs. You could argue with similar arguments as to why having a kid is such a grand ac

> See? Those are logical arguments. They are based on measurable input/outputs. You could argue with similar arguments as to why having a kid is such a grand achievement, but yet, no parents did that. They all come back to hormones and feelings. No, they're not logical arguments, they're based on a whole suite of assumptions about value systems that I would argue reflects more about how you feel about the world than any sort of rational/objective assessment of what constitutes a "grand achievement". > Logically, this is a way more difficult achievement than having kids by at least some measure of difficulty. Why is difficult grander or more of an achievement? This is not self-evident. Can you make an argument for this that isn't an appeal to emotion? > By winning a gold medal you leave a bigger legacy than by having kids. Same exact response from me. Why is a bigger legacy grander or more of an achievement? Can you make a logical argument in favour of a bigger legacy that's not an appeal to emotion? I see no logic in your arguments, I see you restating your values as if they are logical. > How can you disagree with this logically? I don't disagree with what the words mean, I'm saying that you think special/unique/difficult = grand accomplishment for feelings-based reasons, not logical reasons.

siren2026 2mo ago
This is going to be my last reply because we are talking past each other. I think it is perfectly fine and logical for you to reply to my logical arguments with other counter-logical arguments such as: >> Why is difficult grander or more of an achievement? This is not self-evident You could say to you a "grand achievement" is keeping your bloodline as this is what evolution wants us to be. That has some logic. I actually would agree with some of those arguments, and we could go back and forth. Sure, it represents some of our values but you are making at least some logical sense. What I reject is reasoning such as: "Raising kids is probably the most meaningful and significant thing I have done with my life." and when asked clarifications around why that would be the cause, the replies are "feelings, and you will know when you have them".

siren2026 2mo ago

This is going to be my last reply because we are talking past each other. I think it is perfectly fine and logical for you to reply to my logical arguments with other counter-logical arguments such as: >> Why is difficult grander or more of an achievement? This is not self-evident You could say to you a "grand achievement" is keeping your bloodline as this is what evolution wants us to be. That has some logic. I actually would agree with some of those arguments, and we could go back and forth. Sure, it represents some of our values but you are making at least some logical sense. What I reject is reasoning such as: "Raising kids is probably the most meaningful and significant thing I have done with my life." and when asked clarifications around why that would be the cause, the replies are "feelings, and you will know when you have them".