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Why would copyright and patents exist when the US blatantly stole the entire world's knowledge to train their AI models (and China distillled from it)
by dev1ycan 1mo ago
Why would copyright and patents exist when the US blatantly stole the entire world's knowledge to train their AI models (and China distillled from it)
- benjismith 1mo agoKnowledge cannot be "stolen"
- sebastiennight 1mo agoYou wrote your house's security code on a Post-It note. Somebody came in as a houseparty guest and located the note, and discretely copied it onto their hand to get access to the house during your next vacation. Which verb would describe their knowledge of this security code?
- gruez 1mo ago"eavesdropped"? "spied"? Whatever it is, slapping "steal" on it because what was done is wrong, and stealing is wrong, is the same sloppy logic that the copyright lobby used in the 80s/90s.
- Planktonne 1mo agoIf 'steal' doesn't fit, then neither do 'eavesdrop' or 'spied'.
- mitaphane 1mo agolearned
- sebastiennight 1mo agoAfter a bit of thinking, I agree that "learned" is the most appropriate. I stand corrected.
- koolala 1mo agoThe crime there is using that knowledge illegally to break in.
- dbetteridge 1mo agoObtained, read, viewed, learned, discovered. The knowledge wasn't obtained illegally or illicitly, immorally perhaps. Illegal entry/trespass is a crime regardless of the method used however. In your analogy copying the code (online content) isn't necessarily illegal, however using that knowledge without compensation, permission or attribution may be a crime (depending on copyright law, judges rulings etc).
- sebastiennight 1mo agoThis point makes sense to me. I agree with "learned" and "discovered".
- simonsan 1mo agohttps://blog.curiousquail.com/im-upset-again-about-a-co-creator-of-rss-being-prosecuted-for-something-meta-is-doing-with-little-consequence/ https://blog.curiousquail.com/im-upset-again-about-a-co-crea... What about using torrents to acquire that content?
- dbetteridge 1mo agoTorrents are legal? Seeding is often considered the actual point of infringement, aka sharing copyrighted material without the right licence. I should note I suppose that I don't agree with companies using artists or developers hard work for their own financial gain without compensation, whatever form that may take. The problem as usual is the availability of legal loopholes when you have a team of lawyers and near infinite money.
- dgellow 1mo agoIt really depends the country, downloading a Hollywood movie via torrent is itself illegal in a lot of countries. The only exception I’m aware of is Switzerland
- dbetteridge 1mo agoYou're right I was thinking of civil vs criminal penalties. Personal downloading is generally only a civil violation, requiring the rights holder to sue you for reparations.
- sebastiennight 1mo agoWhat about art?
- harimau777 1mo agoI think that you might be taking "knowledge" too literally. As I read it, the parent's post was using "knowledge" poetically for the various works that AI companies stole.
- dredmorbius 1mo agoThe more charitable interpretation would be "knowledge embodied in copyrighted works collected and duplicated without grant of rights". <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48821172 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48821172>