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That seems like an unfair equivalence. Lots of things you enjoy, including this very forum, benefit already wealthy private companies. That doesn't seem like it
by infinite_spin 2mo ago
That seems like an unfair equivalence. Lots of things you enjoy, including this very forum, benefit already wealthy private companies. That doesn't seem like it's a very good litmus test for whether something is overall a benefit to humanity.
- Retric 2mo ago> overall a benefit to humanity. By that metric a complete ban on LLM’s might be on the table, which I don’t think is something you’re advocating for here.
- infinite_spin 2mo agoI'm advocating for a litmus test that can't be easily abused, and I'm advocating against unfair equivalences. I also am not calling "overall a benefit to humanity" a metric, it's more of a conclusion we could arrive at by an application of relevant metrics.
- Retric 2mo ago> a conclusion we could arrive at by an application of relevant metrics. That’s dangerous ground because of how you can arbitrarily change weights of different metrics. If the goal is the “overall benefit of humanity” then that’s what’s important not metrics.
- infinite_spin 2mo agoHow do you propose assessing "overall benefit of humanity" without metrics?
- Retric 2mo agoQualitative assessment etc not just metrics. How do you propose to asses “overall benefit to humanity” with metrics?
- infinite_spin 2mo agoNumber of successful outcomes reported (e.g. with disabled students, cancer patients). Labor costs. Latency of services. Scientific discoveries found. Etc. I'm not trying to discount the qualitative approach, but I think it's not impossibly hard to find metrics we can associate with "overall benefit to humanity" from a quantitative viewpoint.
- SiempreViernes 2mo ago> I think it's not impossibly hard to find metrics we can associate with "overall benefit to humanity" from a quantitative viewpoint. One would hope for the slightly higher ambition of metrics that are causally connected to "overall benefit of humanity", settling for merely correlated has that unpleasant risk of the association breaking as you try to optimise.
- ang_cire 2mo agoQualitative metrics are also metrics. You have to have a spectrum in order to weigh things against each other qualitatively, even if the spectrum is just a 2-point binary.
- Retric 1mo agoQualitative assessment and qualitative metrics are different things.
- ang_cire 1mo agoQualitative assessment is the overall process of using qualitative metrics to evaluate something.
- infinite_spin 1mo agoI feel like both viewpoints are valid ways of determining what you personally view as "good", and I don't want to take away from that diversity of opinion
- KptMarchewa 2mo agoThere is no realistic possibility to effectively ban LLMs worldwide, which makes advocating for this useless.