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Here are the facts: Sale of land to Jews is punishable by death: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_

Here are the facts: Sale of land to Jews is punishable by death: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws Jews who enter Area A are detained by PA forces and escorted out, or lynched. (With an exception of some token visits by activists). https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4940889,00.html https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4940889,00.html https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-family-accidentally-enters-palestinian-town-returned-safely/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-family-accidentally-en... Zionism started more than 2000 years ago. It was public knowledge that the Jews were removed against their will and are hoping to return (and have done so on different scales throughout history). This is documented even in Quran. The Arabs knew when they moved in and built mosques on top of ancient Jewish holy sites that the land is contested. Still, the returning Jews by and large paid the occupiers to purchase the land fairly, and would happily pay Palestinians good money for more land in Judea and Samaria - which is why the PA needs to threaten to murder anyone who sells.

DiogenesKynikos 1mo ago
> Sale of land to Jews is punishable by death: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws No, selling land to Israelis or people acting on behalf of Israel is punishable by death. The reason for this is that Israel is trying to annex the Palestinian territories, and every bit of territory that gets sold to Israelis is territory that will be permanently removed from Palestine. The Israelis establish settlers on the land and then use those settlements to argue that the land should belong to Israel. This is viewed in the same way as selling land or national treasures to German occupiers during WWII would have been viewed in European countries. > Jews who enter Area A are detained by PA forces and escorted out, or lynched. (With an exception of some token visits by activists). Not true at all. I'm actually surprised by the number of Israelis who believe this, because American Jews visit Area A all the time, and are treated very well. There are actually some popular tourist destinations there, like Bethlehem. In my experience, Palestinians generally have nothing against Jews - they just don't like Israel. The first cases you linked is one in which an armed Israeli man was handed over to the Israeli police, and the other is a case in which an Israeli family got lost and was handed over to the IDF. What makes this really galling is that there is a wave of pogroms right now directed at Palestinians in the West Bank. Yet you're inverting this and presenting Israelis as the victims. It would be like claiming that whites were the true victims in the Jim Crow South, while black people were being lynched. > Zionism started more than 2000 years ago. Zionism started at the end of the 1800s. You're just trying to invent an alternate history. > The Arabs knew when they moved in and built mosques on top of ancient Jewish holy sites that the land is contested. This is insane. I'm sorry, but nobody gets to claim that land is "contested" in the modern age because an ancient Roman emperor expelled a group of people nearly 2000 years ago. You would laugh at any other group of people who made such a ridiculous claim.
- throw4986327 1mo ago
  Jewish return to the Land of Israel has been ongoing for 2000 years. Either people who’ve historically been displaced have a claim or they don’t. Either way Israelis have a claim. You can’t choose a statute of limitations arbitrarily to suit only one side. Besides, the Jews mostly paid for the land they built on (or they built on land that wasn’t privately owned). The fact that Palestinians need to threaten to kill anyone who sells land to Jews shows that Israelis don’t generally just steal Palestinian land. And you think killing people for selling land is justified. There are 2 million Arabs living in Israel. How many live in areas under the control of Palestinians? It’s absolutely not safe for anyone visibly Jewish to enter Area A. You are simply lying about this, and I will stop engaging.
  - DiogenesKynikos 1mo ago
    > You can’t choose a statute of limitations arbitrarily to suit only one side. You don't have to precisely draw a statute of limitations to know that claiming land because of what happened during the reign of the Emperor Vespasian is completely insane. > How many live in areas under the control of Palestinians? Are you seriously asking this? There are nearly a million Israelis living (illegally, according to international law) in the Palestinian territories, but the Israelis will never let the Palestinians exercise legal authority over them. The Israelis have effectively annexed large swaths of the Palestinian territories, and wherever Israelis settle, the Palestinians are not allowed to exercise any control. > It’s absolutely not safe for anyone visibly Jewish to enter Area A. Dude, I have family members who have gone to Area A. They told me that the Palestinians were lovely to them, and mainly complained about how much their lives were restricted by the Israeli military occupation. In contrast, they told me that Israel was the rudest society they had ever experienced, by a very large margin.
    - throw4986327 1mo ago
      Sounds like your relatives excel at generalizing to millions of people from a few individual interactions. Jews were 100% ethnically cleansed from Gaza and the WB in 1948 - including from places where Jews have lived and owned property for hundreds of years, and this is maintained to this day wherever Arabs are in control. They were also ethnically cleansed from other Arab and Muslim countries. The only places Jews can live safely in the Middle East are areas the IDF secures. It’s unfortunate that it has to be that way, when Arabs feel perfectly safe to live amongst Jews in Israel.

DiogenesKynikos 1mo ago

> Sale of land to Jews is punishable by death: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws No, selling land to Israelis or people acting on behalf of Israel is punishable by death. The reason for this is that Israel is trying to annex the Palestinian territories, and every bit of territory that gets sold to Israelis is territory that will be permanently removed from Palestine. The Israelis establish settlers on the land and then use those settlements to argue that the land should belong to Israel. This is viewed in the same way as selling land or national treasures to German occupiers during WWII would have been viewed in European countries. > Jews who enter Area A are detained by PA forces and escorted out, or lynched. (With an exception of some token visits by activists). Not true at all. I'm actually surprised by the number of Israelis who believe this, because American Jews visit Area A all the time, and are treated very well. There are actually some popular tourist destinations there, like Bethlehem. In my experience, Palestinians generally have nothing against Jews - they just don't like Israel. The first cases you linked is one in which an armed Israeli man was handed over to the Israeli police, and the other is a case in which an Israeli family got lost and was handed over to the IDF. What makes this really galling is that there is a wave of pogroms right now directed at Palestinians in the West Bank. Yet you're inverting this and presenting Israelis as the victims. It would be like claiming that whites were the true victims in the Jim Crow South, while black people were being lynched. > Zionism started more than 2000 years ago. Zionism started at the end of the 1800s. You're just trying to invent an alternate history. > The Arabs knew when they moved in and built mosques on top of ancient Jewish holy sites that the land is contested. This is insane. I'm sorry, but nobody gets to claim that land is "contested" in the modern age because an ancient Roman emperor expelled a group of people nearly 2000 years ago. You would laugh at any other group of people who made such a ridiculous claim.

throw4986327 1mo ago
Jewish return to the Land of Israel has been ongoing for 2000 years. Either people who’ve historically been displaced have a claim or they don’t. Either way Israelis have a claim. You can’t choose a statute of limitations arbitrarily to suit only one side. Besides, the Jews mostly paid for the land they built on (or they built on land that wasn’t privately owned). The fact that Palestinians need to threaten to kill anyone who sells land to Jews shows that Israelis don’t generally just steal Palestinian land. And you think killing people for selling land is justified. There are 2 million Arabs living in Israel. How many live in areas under the control of Palestinians? It’s absolutely not safe for anyone visibly Jewish to enter Area A. You are simply lying about this, and I will stop engaging.
- DiogenesKynikos 1mo ago
  > You can’t choose a statute of limitations arbitrarily to suit only one side. You don't have to precisely draw a statute of limitations to know that claiming land because of what happened during the reign of the Emperor Vespasian is completely insane. > How many live in areas under the control of Palestinians? Are you seriously asking this? There are nearly a million Israelis living (illegally, according to international law) in the Palestinian territories, but the Israelis will never let the Palestinians exercise legal authority over them. The Israelis have effectively annexed large swaths of the Palestinian territories, and wherever Israelis settle, the Palestinians are not allowed to exercise any control. > It’s absolutely not safe for anyone visibly Jewish to enter Area A. Dude, I have family members who have gone to Area A. They told me that the Palestinians were lovely to them, and mainly complained about how much their lives were restricted by the Israeli military occupation. In contrast, they told me that Israel was the rudest society they had ever experienced, by a very large margin.
  - throw4986327 1mo ago
    Sounds like your relatives excel at generalizing to millions of people from a few individual interactions. Jews were 100% ethnically cleansed from Gaza and the WB in 1948 - including from places where Jews have lived and owned property for hundreds of years, and this is maintained to this day wherever Arabs are in control. They were also ethnically cleansed from other Arab and Muslim countries. The only places Jews can live safely in the Middle East are areas the IDF secures. It’s unfortunate that it has to be that way, when Arabs feel perfectly safe to live amongst Jews in Israel.