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I really hope this doesn't turn into a sexism argument

by rb2k_ 14y ago

knowtheory 14y ago
Don't feed the fucking trolls. DHH is trolling you with the title. It is sad that you are pre-emptively pulling the anti-feminist card, but it also indicates that you do not understand what actual sexism is, or why it upsets people.
- Pewpewarrows 14y ago
  You can understand what sexism is while also acknowledging that there are extremists in every group. I can already picture a few such extremists calling this title sexist.
  - taybin 14y ago
    You don't need to be an extremist to call the title sexist. DHH is well known presenting the persona of a dick.
- MattRogish 14y ago
  I'm not saying it's a great title but is he trolling? Rails has a popular saying: "fat models, skinny controllers". This title is a riff on that. No body issues need come into it.
  - knowtheory 14y ago
    Yes, he is trolling HN with the title, because you can get sadly predictable conversations like this one. The title is specifically intended to be a double entendre (and kind of a clever one). If you really want to disassemble this whole thing, it's the clever use of "diet" that makes the pun.
    - jbigelow76 14y ago
      >Yes, he is trolling HN with the title, because you can get sadly predictable conversations like this one. The article was published on the 37signals blog. I doubt DHH considers HN the center of the tech universe, given anecdotes of his general disposition I can't imagine him thinking "just wait until the HN crowd gets a load of this title".
      - knowtheory 14y ago
        Okay, let me temper my statement a bit. DHH is good at marketing, he knows how to stir the pot. He may have not specifically targeted this at HN, but it's hard to believe that he did not assume that this would not make it to HN.
    - equalarrow 14y ago
      How is this trolling?!?!? In Rails world, the topic of fat models (lots of impl methods, code, etc) comes up all the time. This isn't trolling. It's called being creative vs. "Use different code to remove more code from your models". Gimmie a break.. And yes, like another poster said, I doubt DHH uses any thought or loses sleep over how HN will pick up the post and tear it down. He created a great framework, has built up an inspiring company, and wanted to share some thoughts. Doesn't go any further than that in my mind.
- rb2k_ 14y ago
  I just said that I fear this will turn into a sexism discussion and that I would rather not have it turn out that way. I have no idea where you get your conclusions from.
  - xentronium 14y ago
    Such a statement should immediately attract a contrarian HN commenter who would say "how dare you not call this sexism!", and here, interesting discussion is highjacked by yet another irrelevant women versus tech debate. Ugh, I've just contributed some more. The only winning move is not to play.
- xentronium 14y ago
  Unfortunately, it already happened.

I really hope this doesn't turn into a sexism argument

by rb2k_ 14y ago

I really hope this doesn't turn into a sexism argument

Don't feed the fucking trolls. DHH is trolling you with the title. It is sad that you are pre-emptively pulling the anti-feminist card, but it also indicates that you do not understand what actual sexism is, or why it upsets people.

Pewpewarrows 14y ago
You can understand what sexism is while also acknowledging that there are extremists in every group. I can already picture a few such extremists calling this title sexist.
- taybin 14y ago
  You don't need to be an extremist to call the title sexist. DHH is well known presenting the persona of a dick.
MattRogish 14y ago
I'm not saying it's a great title but is he trolling? Rails has a popular saying: "fat models, skinny controllers". This title is a riff on that. No body issues need come into it.
- knowtheory 14y ago
  Yes, he is trolling HN with the title, because you can get sadly predictable conversations like this one. The title is specifically intended to be a double entendre (and kind of a clever one). If you really want to disassemble this whole thing, it's the clever use of "diet" that makes the pun.
  - jbigelow76 14y ago
    >Yes, he is trolling HN with the title, because you can get sadly predictable conversations like this one. The article was published on the 37signals blog. I doubt DHH considers HN the center of the tech universe, given anecdotes of his general disposition I can't imagine him thinking "just wait until the HN crowd gets a load of this title".
    - knowtheory 14y ago
      Okay, let me temper my statement a bit. DHH is good at marketing, he knows how to stir the pot. He may have not specifically targeted this at HN, but it's hard to believe that he did not assume that this would not make it to HN.
  - equalarrow 14y ago
    How is this trolling?!?!? In Rails world, the topic of fat models (lots of impl methods, code, etc) comes up all the time. This isn't trolling. It's called being creative vs. "Use different code to remove more code from your models". Gimmie a break.. And yes, like another poster said, I doubt DHH uses any thought or loses sleep over how HN will pick up the post and tear it down. He created a great framework, has built up an inspiring company, and wanted to share some thoughts. Doesn't go any further than that in my mind.
rb2k_ 14y ago
I just said that I fear this will turn into a sexism discussion and that I would rather not have it turn out that way. I have no idea where you get your conclusions from.
- xentronium 14y ago
  Such a statement should immediately attract a contrarian HN commenter who would say "how dare you not call this sexism!", and here, interesting discussion is highjacked by yet another irrelevant women versus tech debate. Ugh, I've just contributed some more. The only winning move is not to play.
xentronium 14y ago
Unfortunately, it already happened.