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I'm a bit frustrated by what seems to be a widespread strong negative reaction to anti-AI fonts. The accessibility problem is real, but I feel like that's a rea

by kokanee 1mo ago

I'm a bit frustrated by what seems to be a widespread strong negative reaction to anti-AI fonts. The accessibility problem is real, but I feel like that's a reason to push the investigation deeper for solutions to that problem, not a reason to abandon the effort entirely. The largest intellectual property infringement in the history of the universe is actively unfolding, and it's resulting in an existentially threatening transfer of wealth and power. That's a problem worth exploring every solution for, and solving it may entail some serious sacrifices.

Uberzi 1mo ago
It's simply that a font won't solve anything. That concept is worst than security by obscurity, as it causes more problem and add more constraints than what it solves... for a very limited time until AI bots are adjusted to decode those fonts properly.
- waterTanuki 1mo ago
  how can you make such a bold claim so early with 0 evidence? A successful (and much more realistic outcome) could be to make a font that is financially infeasible for LLMs to parse but easy for humans.
  - SideQuark 1mo ago
    Yeah, that worked really well for captchas. Now even simple models far surpass humans at recognition. So there’s plenty of evidence. Now provide evidence it’s technically possible to make any font “ that is financially infeasible for LLMs to parse but easy for humans.”
  - psd1 1mo ago
    Broadly, by reasoning from general principles, and applying a confidence level. I suppose Uberzi has a confidence level in their claim, but it's tedious to hedge every damn thing.
pixl97 1mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_adversarial_network https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_adversarial_network Every half assed means of trying to confuse an AI is just a small bit of learning away from making the AI better than you. Worse when you have people with disabilities, which I seem to be this week, you just make doing things a pain in the ass. What I don't get is people like you think there is a solution to this. There is not. The harder you try you either exclude more actual humans or you align the AI closer to how people actually see.

by kokanee 1mo ago

Uberzi 1mo ago

It's simply that a font won't solve anything. That concept is worst than security by obscurity, as it causes more problem and add more constraints than what it solves... for a very limited time until AI bots are adjusted to decode those fonts properly.

waterTanuki 1mo ago
how can you make such a bold claim so early with 0 evidence? A successful (and much more realistic outcome) could be to make a font that is financially infeasible for LLMs to parse but easy for humans.
- SideQuark 1mo ago
  Yeah, that worked really well for captchas. Now even simple models far surpass humans at recognition. So there’s plenty of evidence. Now provide evidence it’s technically possible to make any font “ that is financially infeasible for LLMs to parse but easy for humans.”
- psd1 1mo ago
  Broadly, by reasoning from general principles, and applying a confidence level. I suppose Uberzi has a confidence level in their claim, but it's tedious to hedge every damn thing.

pixl97 1mo ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_adversarial_network https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_adversarial_network Every half assed means of trying to confuse an AI is just a small bit of learning away from making the AI better than you. Worse when you have people with disabilities, which I seem to be this week, you just make doing things a pain in the ass. What I don't get is people like you think there is a solution to this. There is not. The harder you try you either exclude more actual humans or you align the AI closer to how people actually see.