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> This is an insane statement The WB is divided into zones. Look this up. Areas A are under full control of the Palestinian Authority. On the roads leading int

> This is an insane statement The WB is divided into zones. Look this up. Areas A are under full control of the Palestinian Authority. On the roads leading into these areas are big signs saying that it’s forbidden for Jews to enter. It truly is insane that in this day and age there are parts of the world that are banned for Jews simply for being Jews. In addition, it is a capital offence punishable by death for Arabs to sell property to Jews. True apartheid. Ultimately, your line of reasoning comes down to the concept of blood and soil, that the race of a person gives them unique rights to land and to reject others who they claim don’t have the correct genes to live there. Jews were perfectly happy to share the land fairly with the other residents - as they do now with Israeli Arabs, who have full equal rights, and are doing much better than Arabs in neighbouring Arab countries, in terms income and life expectancy.

DiogenesKynikos 1mo ago
> It truly is insane that in this day and age there are parts of the world that are banned for Jews simply for being Jews. It's the Israeli government that bans Israeli citizens from entering Area A. The Palestinians do not ban Jews from entering, and Jews enter all the time. I am always amazed by the ability of Israelis to paint themselves as the victims in every situation. You control the entire West Band and hold millions of Palestinians under a brutal military regime. But in your mind, you're the victim. Incredible. > Ultimately, your line of reasoning comes down to the concept of blood and soil, that the race of a person gives them unique rights to land and to reject others who they claim don’t have the correct genes to live there. This is a crazy level of mental gymnastics. The Zionists announced that they wanted to take over Palestine and turn it into a Jewish state. But when the Zionist movement began, 95% of the population of Palestine was non-Jewish. Of course the population was against a foreign people coming in and taking over their country. > Jews were perfectly happy to share the land fairly with the other residents - as they do now with Israeli Arabs, who have full equal right The Zionists were actually adamant that Israel must have a large Jewish majority - large enough that the Arabs would have no meaningful political influence. Ben Gurion said it should be 80% at a minimum. Zionism is all about establishing a Jewish state, not a state that is simply for all of its citizens. In order to achieve that overwhelming demographic majority in as large a part of Palestine as possible, it was necessary to expel the vast majority of the Arab population of the territory that became Israel - about 80%. So when you say that the Israelis were perfectly happy to share the land fairly, that's just a pleasant lie - though maybe one you believe.
- throw4986327 1mo ago
  Here are the facts: Sale of land to Jews is punishable by death: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws Jews who enter Area A are detained by PA forces and escorted out, or lynched. (With an exception of some token visits by activists). https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4940889,00.html https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4940889,00.html https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-family-accidentally-enters-palestinian-town-returned-safely/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-family-accidentally-en... Zionism started more than 2000 years ago. It was public knowledge that the Jews were removed against their will and are hoping to return (and have done so on different scales throughout history). This is documented even in Quran. The Arabs knew when they moved in and built mosques on top of ancient Jewish holy sites that the land is contested. Still, the returning Jews by and large paid the occupiers to purchase the land fairly, and would happily pay Palestinians good money for more land in Judea and Samaria - which is why the PA needs to threaten to murder anyone who sells.
  - DiogenesKynikos 1mo ago
    > Sale of land to Jews is punishable by death: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws No, selling land to Israelis or people acting on behalf of Israel is punishable by death. The reason for this is that Israel is trying to annex the Palestinian territories, and every bit of territory that gets sold to Israelis is territory that will be permanently removed from Palestine. The Israelis establish settlers on the land and then use those settlements to argue that the land should belong to Israel. This is viewed in the same way as selling land or national treasures to German occupiers during WWII would have been viewed in European countries. > Jews who enter Area A are detained by PA forces and escorted out, or lynched. (With an exception of some token visits by activists). Not true at all. I'm actually surprised by the number of Israelis who believe this, because American Jews visit Area A all the time, and are treated very well. There are actually some popular tourist destinations there, like Bethlehem. In my experience, Palestinians generally have nothing against Jews - they just don't like Israel. The first cases you linked is one in which an armed Israeli man was handed over to the Israeli police, and the other is a case in which an Israeli family got lost and was handed over to the IDF. What makes this really galling is that there is a wave of pogroms right now directed at Palestinians in the West Bank. Yet you're inverting this and presenting Israelis as the victims. It would be like claiming that whites were the true victims in the Jim Crow South, while black people were being lynched. > Zionism started more than 2000 years ago. Zionism started at the end of the 1800s. You're just trying to invent an alternate history. > The Arabs knew when they moved in and built mosques on top of ancient Jewish holy sites that the land is contested. This is insane. I'm sorry, but nobody gets to claim that land is "contested" in the modern age because an ancient Roman emperor expelled a group of people nearly 2000 years ago. You would laugh at any other group of people who made such a ridiculous claim.

DiogenesKynikos 1mo ago

> It truly is insane that in this day and age there are parts of the world that are banned for Jews simply for being Jews. It's the Israeli government that bans Israeli citizens from entering Area A. The Palestinians do not ban Jews from entering, and Jews enter all the time. I am always amazed by the ability of Israelis to paint themselves as the victims in every situation. You control the entire West Band and hold millions of Palestinians under a brutal military regime. But in your mind, you're the victim. Incredible. > Ultimately, your line of reasoning comes down to the concept of blood and soil, that the race of a person gives them unique rights to land and to reject others who they claim don’t have the correct genes to live there. This is a crazy level of mental gymnastics. The Zionists announced that they wanted to take over Palestine and turn it into a Jewish state. But when the Zionist movement began, 95% of the population of Palestine was non-Jewish. Of course the population was against a foreign people coming in and taking over their country. > Jews were perfectly happy to share the land fairly with the other residents - as they do now with Israeli Arabs, who have full equal right The Zionists were actually adamant that Israel must have a large Jewish majority - large enough that the Arabs would have no meaningful political influence. Ben Gurion said it should be 80% at a minimum. Zionism is all about establishing a Jewish state, not a state that is simply for all of its citizens. In order to achieve that overwhelming demographic majority in as large a part of Palestine as possible, it was necessary to expel the vast majority of the Arab population of the territory that became Israel - about 80%. So when you say that the Israelis were perfectly happy to share the land fairly, that's just a pleasant lie - though maybe one you believe.

throw4986327 1mo ago
Here are the facts: Sale of land to Jews is punishable by death: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws Jews who enter Area A are detained by PA forces and escorted out, or lynched. (With an exception of some token visits by activists). https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4940889,00.html https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4940889,00.html https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-family-accidentally-enters-palestinian-town-returned-safely/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-family-accidentally-en... Zionism started more than 2000 years ago. It was public knowledge that the Jews were removed against their will and are hoping to return (and have done so on different scales throughout history). This is documented even in Quran. The Arabs knew when they moved in and built mosques on top of ancient Jewish holy sites that the land is contested. Still, the returning Jews by and large paid the occupiers to purchase the land fairly, and would happily pay Palestinians good money for more land in Judea and Samaria - which is why the PA needs to threaten to murder anyone who sells.
- DiogenesKynikos 1mo ago
  > Sale of land to Jews is punishable by death: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws No, selling land to Israelis or people acting on behalf of Israel is punishable by death. The reason for this is that Israel is trying to annex the Palestinian territories, and every bit of territory that gets sold to Israelis is territory that will be permanently removed from Palestine. The Israelis establish settlers on the land and then use those settlements to argue that the land should belong to Israel. This is viewed in the same way as selling land or national treasures to German occupiers during WWII would have been viewed in European countries. > Jews who enter Area A are detained by PA forces and escorted out, or lynched. (With an exception of some token visits by activists). Not true at all. I'm actually surprised by the number of Israelis who believe this, because American Jews visit Area A all the time, and are treated very well. There are actually some popular tourist destinations there, like Bethlehem. In my experience, Palestinians generally have nothing against Jews - they just don't like Israel. The first cases you linked is one in which an armed Israeli man was handed over to the Israeli police, and the other is a case in which an Israeli family got lost and was handed over to the IDF. What makes this really galling is that there is a wave of pogroms right now directed at Palestinians in the West Bank. Yet you're inverting this and presenting Israelis as the victims. It would be like claiming that whites were the true victims in the Jim Crow South, while black people were being lynched. > Zionism started more than 2000 years ago. Zionism started at the end of the 1800s. You're just trying to invent an alternate history. > The Arabs knew when they moved in and built mosques on top of ancient Jewish holy sites that the land is contested. This is insane. I'm sorry, but nobody gets to claim that land is "contested" in the modern age because an ancient Roman emperor expelled a group of people nearly 2000 years ago. You would laugh at any other group of people who made such a ridiculous claim.