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That was 100% obvious that would happen, the law will only be followed by good actors and bad actors now have an additional advantage

forinti 2mo ago
Which site would you qualify as a "good" actor? It's an honest question. Is there such a thing as ethical porn or are there only sites that pay taxes and those that don't?
- iso1631 2mo ago
  There are sites which follow laws and those that don't.
- pessimizer 2mo ago
  It's not an honest question. A good actor is one that is not trying to show porn to children and follows the law.
  - forinti 2mo ago
    That's one (very serious issue) but there are many others. Pornhub is a company, has an address, pays taxes, and has a history of problems.
    - pessimizer 2mo ago
      What's a good commenter? I'm sure you eat meat and use fossil fuels. The discussion is about actors under a regime of universal age checks, not your personal problems. If it helps, change it to be about sites that write about birth control when information about birth control has been ordered to be restricted to married males over 30, and "good actors" complying with this ends up resulting in both unmarried females and married Catholic males over 30 who don't want to identify themselves visiting sites that also contain information about full communism and Zoroastrianism, which have been decreed illegal for anyone to discuss.
  - bcjdjsndon 2mo ago
    > A good actor is one that is not trying to show porn to children and follows the law. It's been happening since the 1800s non stop.... I know it's wrong to show kids porn etc but what's the actual damage it does?
- realusername 2mo ago
  I'd call the ones which have a process for verifying actors and following local laws to be good actors
- shakow 2mo ago
  “Good” actor does not refer to ethical, but to lawful. > ethical porn Define “ethical porn”? Problem with ethics is that it varies from person to person; at least lawful has the taste of varying only from country to country.
- dgellow 2mo ago
  OnlyFan is as ethical as porn can get
- jakkos 2mo ago
  There are definitely more ethical porn sites, e.g. ones that will take down revenge porn vs ones that won't.
teroshan 2mo ago
Good news, the end goal that is being pushed by corporate lobbyists is still in sight. Give it a few years (months if you're an optimist?) and you will have to use your Google/Apple hardware device to formally tie your real identity with your digital identity for every site that has even the slim possibility of being a small danger to hypothetical children. I'm sure Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg will gladly join this effort to reduce harm to children as well, I'm sure that's high on their priority list. They may even already have the infrastructure in place to handle that digital ID, what an amazing coincidence. Everything will be fine!
- alansaber 2mo ago
  Snooper's charter ring a bell? This is the work of the UK govt, not corporate lobbyists.
  - ivanbakel 2mo ago
    > This is the work of the UK govt, not corporate lobbyists. This is not an exclusive or. Corporate lobbyists from social media have a real incentive for pushing age verification and attestation. They benefit from public outcry and popular movements for age restrictions online, while also presenting age verification as the only solutions to the problems causing that outcry (which is to say, largely moderation problems on their own websites).
    - somenameforme 2mo ago
      Age verification will be a significant loss for social media companies. It's going to push plenty of people away, and it provides no information that they don't already know to a reasonably high degree of certainty. And I think the problems with social media for children have little to do with moderation. It's more about the typical ails that even 'good' social media would entail: FOMO, image crafting, amplification/streamlining all typical stuff that happens at all schools - bullying, rumor milling, and so on. To say nothing of the general effect of people becoming zombies to their phones rather than actually interacting in person as much.

forinti 2mo ago

Which site would you qualify as a "good" actor? It's an honest question. Is there such a thing as ethical porn or are there only sites that pay taxes and those that don't?

iso1631 2mo ago
There are sites which follow laws and those that don't.
pessimizer 2mo ago
It's not an honest question. A good actor is one that is not trying to show porn to children and follows the law.
- forinti 2mo ago
  That's one (very serious issue) but there are many others. Pornhub is a company, has an address, pays taxes, and has a history of problems.
  - pessimizer 2mo ago
    What's a good commenter? I'm sure you eat meat and use fossil fuels. The discussion is about actors under a regime of universal age checks, not your personal problems. If it helps, change it to be about sites that write about birth control when information about birth control has been ordered to be restricted to married males over 30, and "good actors" complying with this ends up resulting in both unmarried females and married Catholic males over 30 who don't want to identify themselves visiting sites that also contain information about full communism and Zoroastrianism, which have been decreed illegal for anyone to discuss.
- bcjdjsndon 2mo ago
  > A good actor is one that is not trying to show porn to children and follows the law. It's been happening since the 1800s non stop.... I know it's wrong to show kids porn etc but what's the actual damage it does?
realusername 2mo ago
I'd call the ones which have a process for verifying actors and following local laws to be good actors
shakow 2mo ago
“Good” actor does not refer to ethical, but to lawful. > ethical porn Define “ethical porn”? Problem with ethics is that it varies from person to person; at least lawful has the taste of varying only from country to country.
dgellow 2mo ago
OnlyFan is as ethical as porn can get
jakkos 2mo ago
There are definitely more ethical porn sites, e.g. ones that will take down revenge porn vs ones that won't.

teroshan 2mo ago

Good news, the end goal that is being pushed by corporate lobbyists is still in sight. Give it a few years (months if you're an optimist?) and you will have to use your Google/Apple hardware device to formally tie your real identity with your digital identity for every site that has even the slim possibility of being a small danger to hypothetical children. I'm sure Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg will gladly join this effort to reduce harm to children as well, I'm sure that's high on their priority list. They may even already have the infrastructure in place to handle that digital ID, what an amazing coincidence. Everything will be fine!

alansaber 2mo ago
Snooper's charter ring a bell? This is the work of the UK govt, not corporate lobbyists.
- ivanbakel 2mo ago
  > This is the work of the UK govt, not corporate lobbyists. This is not an exclusive or. Corporate lobbyists from social media have a real incentive for pushing age verification and attestation. They benefit from public outcry and popular movements for age restrictions online, while also presenting age verification as the only solutions to the problems causing that outcry (which is to say, largely moderation problems on their own websites).
  - somenameforme 2mo ago
    Age verification will be a significant loss for social media companies. It's going to push plenty of people away, and it provides no information that they don't already know to a reasonably high degree of certainty. And I think the problems with social media for children have little to do with moderation. It's more about the typical ails that even 'good' social media would entail: FOMO, image crafting, amplification/streamlining all typical stuff that happens at all schools - bullying, rumor milling, and so on. To say nothing of the general effect of people becoming zombies to their phones rather than actually interacting in person as much.