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> To this day territories under control of the Palestinian authority are kept ethnically cleansed of Jews. This is an insane statement. Israel controls all of

> To this day territories under control of the Palestinian authority are kept ethnically cleansed of Jews. This is an insane statement. Israel controls all of East Jerusalem and the entire West Bank. They are moving their own settlers into those territories, in violation of international law, with the goal of annexing them to Israel. The Palestinians in the West Bank live under military occupation and are subject to constant violent pogroms at the hands of Israeli settlers, who have the backing of the IDF. Yet in your narrative, the Israelis are somehow the victims here, because the Palestinians don't want them to keep stealing more land. > The Arabs just couldn’t take it that they will be one Middle Eastern country where Jews have significant authority and equal rights. They couldn't take it that European settlers would take over Palestine. You seem to have a very hard time accepting that the native population of Palestine should have had any say in whether their country, which was 95% Arab, should be gifted to European settlers. > London and NYC have Muslim mayors. Last I checked, London was still part of the UK, and NYC was still part of the US. The UK and US didn't have immigration laws forced on them by a foreign empire - they decided democratically that they're okay with a percent or so immigration each year. And Mamdani isn't trying to turn NYC into a breakaway Muslim state that will leave the US and declare Muslim supremacy over the rest of the population.

throw4986327 2mo ago
> This is an insane statement The WB is divided into zones. Look this up. Areas A are under full control of the Palestinian Authority. On the roads leading into these areas are big signs saying that it’s forbidden for Jews to enter. It truly is insane that in this day and age there are parts of the world that are banned for Jews simply for being Jews. In addition, it is a capital offence punishable by death for Arabs to sell property to Jews. True apartheid. Ultimately, your line of reasoning comes down to the concept of blood and soil, that the race of a person gives them unique rights to land and to reject others who they claim don’t have the correct genes to live there. Jews were perfectly happy to share the land fairly with the other residents - as they do now with Israeli Arabs, who have full equal rights, and are doing much better than Arabs in neighbouring Arab countries, in terms income and life expectancy.
- DiogenesKynikos 2mo ago
  > It truly is insane that in this day and age there are parts of the world that are banned for Jews simply for being Jews. It's the Israeli government that bans Israeli citizens from entering Area A. The Palestinians do not ban Jews from entering, and Jews enter all the time. I am always amazed by the ability of Israelis to paint themselves as the victims in every situation. You control the entire West Band and hold millions of Palestinians under a brutal military regime. But in your mind, you're the victim. Incredible. > Ultimately, your line of reasoning comes down to the concept of blood and soil, that the race of a person gives them unique rights to land and to reject others who they claim don’t have the correct genes to live there. This is a crazy level of mental gymnastics. The Zionists announced that they wanted to take over Palestine and turn it into a Jewish state. But when the Zionist movement began, 95% of the population of Palestine was non-Jewish. Of course the population was against a foreign people coming in and taking over their country. > Jews were perfectly happy to share the land fairly with the other residents - as they do now with Israeli Arabs, who have full equal right The Zionists were actually adamant that Israel must have a large Jewish majority - large enough that the Arabs would have no meaningful political influence. Ben Gurion said it should be 80% at a minimum. Zionism is all about establishing a Jewish state, not a state that is simply for all of its citizens. In order to achieve that overwhelming demographic majority in as large a part of Palestine as possible, it was necessary to expel the vast majority of the Arab population of the territory that became Israel - about 80%. So when you say that the Israelis were perfectly happy to share the land fairly, that's just a pleasant lie - though maybe one you believe.
  - throw4986327 2mo ago
    Here are the facts: Sale of land to Jews is punishable by death: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws Jews who enter Area A are detained by PA forces and escorted out, or lynched. (With an exception of some token visits by activists). https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4940889,00.html https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4940889,00.html https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-family-accidentally-enters-palestinian-town-returned-safely/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-family-accidentally-en... Zionism started more than 2000 years ago. It was public knowledge that the Jews were removed against their will and are hoping to return (and have done so on different scales throughout history). This is documented even in Quran. The Arabs knew when they moved in and built mosques on top of ancient Jewish holy sites that the land is contested. Still, the returning Jews by and large paid the occupiers to purchase the land fairly, and would happily pay Palestinians good money for more land in Judea and Samaria - which is why the PA needs to threaten to murder anyone who sells.

throw4986327 2mo ago

> This is an insane statement The WB is divided into zones. Look this up. Areas A are under full control of the Palestinian Authority. On the roads leading into these areas are big signs saying that it’s forbidden for Jews to enter. It truly is insane that in this day and age there are parts of the world that are banned for Jews simply for being Jews. In addition, it is a capital offence punishable by death for Arabs to sell property to Jews. True apartheid. Ultimately, your line of reasoning comes down to the concept of blood and soil, that the race of a person gives them unique rights to land and to reject others who they claim don’t have the correct genes to live there. Jews were perfectly happy to share the land fairly with the other residents - as they do now with Israeli Arabs, who have full equal rights, and are doing much better than Arabs in neighbouring Arab countries, in terms income and life expectancy.

DiogenesKynikos 2mo ago
> It truly is insane that in this day and age there are parts of the world that are banned for Jews simply for being Jews. It's the Israeli government that bans Israeli citizens from entering Area A. The Palestinians do not ban Jews from entering, and Jews enter all the time. I am always amazed by the ability of Israelis to paint themselves as the victims in every situation. You control the entire West Band and hold millions of Palestinians under a brutal military regime. But in your mind, you're the victim. Incredible. > Ultimately, your line of reasoning comes down to the concept of blood and soil, that the race of a person gives them unique rights to land and to reject others who they claim don’t have the correct genes to live there. This is a crazy level of mental gymnastics. The Zionists announced that they wanted to take over Palestine and turn it into a Jewish state. But when the Zionist movement began, 95% of the population of Palestine was non-Jewish. Of course the population was against a foreign people coming in and taking over their country. > Jews were perfectly happy to share the land fairly with the other residents - as they do now with Israeli Arabs, who have full equal right The Zionists were actually adamant that Israel must have a large Jewish majority - large enough that the Arabs would have no meaningful political influence. Ben Gurion said it should be 80% at a minimum. Zionism is all about establishing a Jewish state, not a state that is simply for all of its citizens. In order to achieve that overwhelming demographic majority in as large a part of Palestine as possible, it was necessary to expel the vast majority of the Arab population of the territory that became Israel - about 80%. So when you say that the Israelis were perfectly happy to share the land fairly, that's just a pleasant lie - though maybe one you believe.
- throw4986327 2mo ago
  Here are the facts: Sale of land to Jews is punishable by death: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws Jews who enter Area A are detained by PA forces and escorted out, or lynched. (With an exception of some token visits by activists). https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4940889,00.html https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4940889,00.html https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-family-accidentally-enters-palestinian-town-returned-safely/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-family-accidentally-en... Zionism started more than 2000 years ago. It was public knowledge that the Jews were removed against their will and are hoping to return (and have done so on different scales throughout history). This is documented even in Quran. The Arabs knew when they moved in and built mosques on top of ancient Jewish holy sites that the land is contested. Still, the returning Jews by and large paid the occupiers to purchase the land fairly, and would happily pay Palestinians good money for more land in Judea and Samaria - which is why the PA needs to threaten to murder anyone who sells.