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Fun fact: one of the lawyers who helped buy land for Disney was ex-CIA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Helliwell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Helliwe

Fun fact: one of the lawyers who helped buy land for Disney was ex-CIA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Helliwell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Helliwell

Der_Einzige 2mo ago
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- thin_carapace 2mo ago
  going to respond to your other comment here since it got killed: i think a lot of art could be described as fashionable nonsense, and hyperreality is an artistic philosophy. it's interesting to contemplate the root concept of a map overflowing its territory, however consuming long tracts of resulting thought is questionably useful. i didnt mind reading some of baudrillard's cool thoughts books, application of hyperreality was well translated via small vignettes of thinking. but i couldnt finish the book discussed here, it's still sitting somewhere bookmarked. re this comment: it's clear that the powers that be will use any tool to maximise power. that's the point i gleaned from this comment because i dont identify as left or right. this is a left leaning forum, attacking the left as a whole is inevitably going to result in personal offense to left identifiers. therefore your point probably won't get translated, reducing the usefulness of these words to baudrillard levels.
  - ahf8Aithaex7Nai 2mo ago
    (This is a reply to Der_Einzige.) Way too sweeping for my taste. There’s obviously some truth to that. On the other hand, it’s way too easy and convenient to dismiss things as PSYOPs. To my grandfather, every LGBTQ Pride event is a PSYOP or a consequence of one. I was sitting in the audience at a political event last year. When the topic turned to union work, a young woman started rolling her eyes and rambling on about old white men. With this shift away from class solidarity toward identity-based division, I also find it hard not to see PSYOPs at work in the background. Postcolonial studies according to Said, Spivak, Chakrabarty, etc., are a case in point for me: critiques of universalism, critiques of power in “white” knowledge production, and decolonization debates. All of this comes from the Foucault school of thought and contains the same contradictions. But there are no better tools for undermining widespread, international solidarity and political organization. It’s not enough to simply dismiss these things as PSYOPs. First, because the intended division still works. People influenced by these schools of thought won’t be easily convinced by an “Ackchyually” meme. Real, substantive persuasion is required here. Second, the fact that a thinker has been favored in some way does not invalidate their thinking. It’s worth taking a closer look to determine where criticism is warranted and where their ideas are useful and worth building upon.
- oldsklgdfth 2mo ago
  My mind tingles when I heard about three letters and subverting the public. Reminds me of the CIA make Jackson Pollack and modern art popular. The idea I come back to is that history has its own momentum. You may be able to nudge it in the right direction and accelerate things. But it’s hard to push against momentum. Examples of this are “industry plants” where an industry will try to create the next great hit, but reads the room wrong. But if you work at the CIA you gotta believe you can subvert the public. “You can’t tell people what to think, but you can tell them what to think about”
- bad_haircut72 2mo ago
  Bro - Chomsky was an academic who wrote books, not an actual leader of the left, a group which is more than used to purging its ranks of the unpure anyway. It took Bluesky about 2 seconds to forget Chomsky as a person (though not all of his works) existed. Meanwhile the actual commander in chief of the armed forces right now was also, how you say, "deeply embedded" with Epstein too

Fun fact: one of the lawyers who helped buy land for Disney was ex-CIA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Helliwell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Helliwell

Der_Einzige 2mo ago

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thin_carapace 2mo ago
going to respond to your other comment here since it got killed: i think a lot of art could be described as fashionable nonsense, and hyperreality is an artistic philosophy. it's interesting to contemplate the root concept of a map overflowing its territory, however consuming long tracts of resulting thought is questionably useful. i didnt mind reading some of baudrillard's cool thoughts books, application of hyperreality was well translated via small vignettes of thinking. but i couldnt finish the book discussed here, it's still sitting somewhere bookmarked. re this comment: it's clear that the powers that be will use any tool to maximise power. that's the point i gleaned from this comment because i dont identify as left or right. this is a left leaning forum, attacking the left as a whole is inevitably going to result in personal offense to left identifiers. therefore your point probably won't get translated, reducing the usefulness of these words to baudrillard levels.
- ahf8Aithaex7Nai 2mo ago
  (This is a reply to Der_Einzige.) Way too sweeping for my taste. There’s obviously some truth to that. On the other hand, it’s way too easy and convenient to dismiss things as PSYOPs. To my grandfather, every LGBTQ Pride event is a PSYOP or a consequence of one. I was sitting in the audience at a political event last year. When the topic turned to union work, a young woman started rolling her eyes and rambling on about old white men. With this shift away from class solidarity toward identity-based division, I also find it hard not to see PSYOPs at work in the background. Postcolonial studies according to Said, Spivak, Chakrabarty, etc., are a case in point for me: critiques of universalism, critiques of power in “white” knowledge production, and decolonization debates. All of this comes from the Foucault school of thought and contains the same contradictions. But there are no better tools for undermining widespread, international solidarity and political organization. It’s not enough to simply dismiss these things as PSYOPs. First, because the intended division still works. People influenced by these schools of thought won’t be easily convinced by an “Ackchyually” meme. Real, substantive persuasion is required here. Second, the fact that a thinker has been favored in some way does not invalidate their thinking. It’s worth taking a closer look to determine where criticism is warranted and where their ideas are useful and worth building upon.
oldsklgdfth 2mo ago
My mind tingles when I heard about three letters and subverting the public. Reminds me of the CIA make Jackson Pollack and modern art popular. The idea I come back to is that history has its own momentum. You may be able to nudge it in the right direction and accelerate things. But it’s hard to push against momentum. Examples of this are “industry plants” where an industry will try to create the next great hit, but reads the room wrong. But if you work at the CIA you gotta believe you can subvert the public. “You can’t tell people what to think, but you can tell them what to think about”
bad_haircut72 2mo ago
Bro - Chomsky was an academic who wrote books, not an actual leader of the left, a group which is more than used to purging its ranks of the unpure anyway. It took Bluesky about 2 seconds to forget Chomsky as a person (though not all of his works) existed. Meanwhile the actual commander in chief of the armed forces right now was also, how you say, "deeply embedded" with Epstein too