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How are they not Flock issues? If Flock cameras didn't exist, they wouldn't have happened. Flocks (and all other mass surveillance cameras) allow many parties t

by slowin 2mo ago

How are they not Flock issues? If Flock cameras didn't exist, they wouldn't have happened. Flocks (and all other mass surveillance cameras) allow many parties to violate your rights and generally behave sociopathically. This is why people want them all removed.

tptacek 2mo ago
If you want to make the argument that all cameras are problematic, I won't necessarily agree, but it's not the thing I'm asking about. One problem in these discussions is that it's virtually impossible to have a conversation or to explore the topic in any depth because every single comment on the thread is read purely as advocacy. I'm in some part responsible for getting the cameras pulled from my own municipality, as I've discussed many times here.
- Forgeties79 2mo ago
  I believe you and your follow up comments to the one earlier seemed to point that direction, but there is a bit of a tone in your first comment that could reasonably be misconstrued as undue skepticism in favor of flock. I would just be mindful of how you talk about the subject, if you’re looking for feedback. If not, just ignore me I guess ha
  - tptacek 2mo ago
    I don't think this kind of metadiscussion is productive on these kinds of threads, sorry. Just a personal preference to avoid it as much as possible.
    - Forgeties79 2mo ago
      hey take it or leave it, no worries
    - slowin 2mo ago
      You actually started the meta discussion and they were just replying to you: > One problem in these discussions is that it's virtually impossible to have a conversation or to explore the topic in any depth because every single comment on the thread is read purely as advocacy. People "advocate" in these threads because we don't want to live under mass surveillance. This has already been discussed in depth in books like 1984.
  - enquirewithin 2mo ago
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    - Forgeties79 2mo ago
      For someone who knows “what this forum used to be like” you seem very incapable of following its long-established, basic etiquette rules.
      - enquirewithin 2mo ago
        [flagged]
        Forgeties79 2mo ago
        so brave
- ofjcihen 2mo ago
  > I'm in some part responsible for getting the cameras pulled from my own municipality, as I've discussed many times here. This along with the tone of your first comment comes more across as “Not in my backyard”.
- slowin 2mo ago
  > If you want to make the argument that all cameras are problematic Yes I think all cameras are problematic. I don't want to be recorded in public, especially by the state and it's commercial "partners". It's pretty wild that this is even up for debate at this point, scary times.

by slowin 2mo ago

tptacek 2mo ago

If you want to make the argument that all cameras are problematic, I won't necessarily agree, but it's not the thing I'm asking about. One problem in these discussions is that it's virtually impossible to have a conversation or to explore the topic in any depth because every single comment on the thread is read purely as advocacy. I'm in some part responsible for getting the cameras pulled from my own municipality, as I've discussed many times here.

Forgeties79 2mo ago
I believe you and your follow up comments to the one earlier seemed to point that direction, but there is a bit of a tone in your first comment that could reasonably be misconstrued as undue skepticism in favor of flock. I would just be mindful of how you talk about the subject, if you’re looking for feedback. If not, just ignore me I guess ha
- tptacek 2mo ago
  I don't think this kind of metadiscussion is productive on these kinds of threads, sorry. Just a personal preference to avoid it as much as possible.
  - Forgeties79 2mo ago
    hey take it or leave it, no worries
  - slowin 2mo ago
    You actually started the meta discussion and they were just replying to you: > One problem in these discussions is that it's virtually impossible to have a conversation or to explore the topic in any depth because every single comment on the thread is read purely as advocacy. People "advocate" in these threads because we don't want to live under mass surveillance. This has already been discussed in depth in books like 1984.
- enquirewithin 2mo ago
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  - Forgeties79 2mo ago
    For someone who knows “what this forum used to be like” you seem very incapable of following its long-established, basic etiquette rules.
    - enquirewithin 2mo ago
      [flagged]
      - Forgeties79 2mo ago
        so brave
ofjcihen 2mo ago
> I'm in some part responsible for getting the cameras pulled from my own municipality, as I've discussed many times here. This along with the tone of your first comment comes more across as “Not in my backyard”.
slowin 2mo ago
> If you want to make the argument that all cameras are problematic Yes I think all cameras are problematic. I don't want to be recorded in public, especially by the state and it's commercial "partners". It's pretty wild that this is even up for debate at this point, scary times.