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I’m not sure that’s true. In general, the higher the performer the better they’ll do. That’s the definition of high performer.

whatever1 1mo ago
The top performers I have worked with will challenge dumb processes, because they can zoom out. Sometimes these dumb processes are there for a reason and you just have to follow them, no questions asked. Example: military. They literally get rid of anyone who will question the processes. They might be right to question them, but it does not matter.
margalabargala 1mo ago
"performance" is an undefined vague attribute. Define what they are performing at, and what you say becomes true, but then who is a high performer changes with every task. For example, consider the police stations with maximum allowable IQs to be hired. The people in charge of the stations noticed that people with a high IQ were low performers, at that job. NASA meanwhile has no such cutoff.
- charcircuit 1mo ago
  IQ isn't anywhere close to being a performance metric.
  - margalabargala 1mo ago
    Right, exactly, nothing is, because "performance" is a meaningless term without context. Unless you're saying that there exists no conceivable context in which IQ would be a performance metric, in which case you would be wrong.
    - ziiinq 1mo ago
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CyLith 1mo ago
This was the single worst thing about working at Google. Every PhD thinks they're smarter than having to do the actual work. Sometimes you just have to do the fucking work.
- iamflimflam1 1mo ago
  The sad thing about this is that getting a PhD does involve knuckling down and working hard. I wonder what goes wrong.
  - RugnirViking 1mo ago
    if you have a PHD in computer science, you have trained your whole life to do difficult maths on the cutting edge of whats possible with computers, and make algorithms sing with beautiful efficiency (and also write papers and talk on a stage about how cool and good your thing is (and by extension how cool and good you are). Now you're being asked to move buttons around a page and debating how rounded the corners should be and endlessly discussing about what kind of filters you should support and the app spends 3 seconds on startup loading 500mb of js libraries. You can understand the mismatch - even though the latter of these two is how you make a product better! a company of 200 people making bold, sweeping changes results in a mess. a company of 200 people grinding away the finest of small changes results in a product
    - iamflimflam1 1mo ago
      I’ve got a PhD. I suspect the problem might be people blow too much smoke up these people.
      - windexh8er 1mo ago
        There are many sacred cows and I believe many of those entitled in that way could have the same opinion. I've personally known a few PhDs that get them for the title, and they were lazy in the first place. There was this one guy I worked for who got a PhD in the easiest thing he could rationalize and targeted acquiring it from the lowest bar to entry. Only so he could say he had a PhD because, and this is what he told me: nobody will ask me what my PhD is in because they will assume it's related to my line of work (cyber security). I doubt most PhDs have this line of thinking, but there are a few outliers, clearly.

whatever1 1mo ago

The top performers I have worked with will challenge dumb processes, because they can zoom out. Sometimes these dumb processes are there for a reason and you just have to follow them, no questions asked. Example: military. They literally get rid of anyone who will question the processes. They might be right to question them, but it does not matter.

margalabargala 1mo ago

"performance" is an undefined vague attribute. Define what they are performing at, and what you say becomes true, but then who is a high performer changes with every task. For example, consider the police stations with maximum allowable IQs to be hired. The people in charge of the stations noticed that people with a high IQ were low performers, at that job. NASA meanwhile has no such cutoff.

charcircuit 1mo ago
IQ isn't anywhere close to being a performance metric.
- margalabargala 1mo ago
  Right, exactly, nothing is, because "performance" is a meaningless term without context. Unless you're saying that there exists no conceivable context in which IQ would be a performance metric, in which case you would be wrong.
  - ziiinq 1mo ago
    [dead]

CyLith 1mo ago

This was the single worst thing about working at Google. Every PhD thinks they're smarter than having to do the actual work. Sometimes you just have to do the fucking work.

iamflimflam1 1mo ago
The sad thing about this is that getting a PhD does involve knuckling down and working hard. I wonder what goes wrong.
- RugnirViking 1mo ago
  if you have a PHD in computer science, you have trained your whole life to do difficult maths on the cutting edge of whats possible with computers, and make algorithms sing with beautiful efficiency (and also write papers and talk on a stage about how cool and good your thing is (and by extension how cool and good you are). Now you're being asked to move buttons around a page and debating how rounded the corners should be and endlessly discussing about what kind of filters you should support and the app spends 3 seconds on startup loading 500mb of js libraries. You can understand the mismatch - even though the latter of these two is how you make a product better! a company of 200 people making bold, sweeping changes results in a mess. a company of 200 people grinding away the finest of small changes results in a product
  - iamflimflam1 1mo ago
    I’ve got a PhD. I suspect the problem might be people blow too much smoke up these people.
    - windexh8er 1mo ago
      There are many sacred cows and I believe many of those entitled in that way could have the same opinion. I've personally known a few PhDs that get them for the title, and they were lazy in the first place. There was this one guy I worked for who got a PhD in the easiest thing he could rationalize and targeted acquiring it from the lowest bar to entry. Only so he could say he had a PhD because, and this is what he told me: nobody will ask me what my PhD is in because they will assume it's related to my line of work (cyber security). I doubt most PhDs have this line of thinking, but there are a few outliers, clearly.