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I mean if you define anything using web-based technology as crap then sure, but someone could just as easily define Linux GTK apps as being old and janky and th

I mean if you define anything using web-based technology as crap then sure, but someone could just as easily define Linux GTK apps as being old and janky and then where will we be? LLMs can write Zenity bash scripts just fine, it's up to the person driving it to ask for that instead. How's well does that Zenity bash script work on Android/iOS/windows/ChromeOS/Mac/esp32? We can shit all over people for using technologies we personally wouldn't choose, but it's not like they're aren't reasons for it. It's not 1990 anymore and my computer has gigabytes, not megabytes of ram.

lelanthran 2mo ago
>> Here's the thing - if you never learned to use $FOO, it is closed off as an option to you forever, even with LLM help. ... > LLMs can write Zenity bash scripts just fine, it's up to the person driving it to ask for that instead. You don't think we're on the same page here?
- fragmede 2mo ago
  As far as that part goes, you're right. However, someone wanting to make $APP work on raspberry pi 1 level of hardware, and complain to the LLM that electron is so laggy as to be unusable, then I also imagine the LLM is capable of suggestion rewriting $APP with $FOO technology that is the tight low-memory CPU-sipping version of $APP. If TSMC falls and we can't make new hardware, that may have to happen, but until such time that it's forced to, it's not going to.
  - lelanthran 2mo ago
    > However, someone wanting to make $APP work on raspberry pi 1 level of hardware, and complain to the LLM that electron is so laggy as to be unusable, then I also imagine the LLM is capable of suggestion rewriting $APP with $FOO technology that is the tight low-memory CPU-sipping version of $APP I don't think I've ever seen someone's agentic loop actually decide to do a rewrite. Once it sets off down a path, due to how token generation works, it can't actually backtrack easily.
dragandj 2mo ago
> It's not 1990 anymore and my computer has gigabytes, not megabytes of ram. And these gigabytes get used up really quickly when the LLM goes brrrr. And with this 500% surge in RAM prices, I don't think it's still enough to just buy more.
- fragmede 2mo ago
  To your point, consumer computer memory has stagnated at 8/16 GiB of RAM for a while.

lelanthran 2mo ago

>> Here's the thing - if you never learned to use $FOO, it is closed off as an option to you forever, even with LLM help. ... > LLMs can write Zenity bash scripts just fine, it's up to the person driving it to ask for that instead. You don't think we're on the same page here?

fragmede 2mo ago
As far as that part goes, you're right. However, someone wanting to make $APP work on raspberry pi 1 level of hardware, and complain to the LLM that electron is so laggy as to be unusable, then I also imagine the LLM is capable of suggestion rewriting $APP with $FOO technology that is the tight low-memory CPU-sipping version of $APP. If TSMC falls and we can't make new hardware, that may have to happen, but until such time that it's forced to, it's not going to.
- lelanthran 2mo ago
  > However, someone wanting to make $APP work on raspberry pi 1 level of hardware, and complain to the LLM that electron is so laggy as to be unusable, then I also imagine the LLM is capable of suggestion rewriting $APP with $FOO technology that is the tight low-memory CPU-sipping version of $APP I don't think I've ever seen someone's agentic loop actually decide to do a rewrite. Once it sets off down a path, due to how token generation works, it can't actually backtrack easily.

dragandj 2mo ago

> It's not 1990 anymore and my computer has gigabytes, not megabytes of ram. And these gigabytes get used up really quickly when the LLM goes brrrr. And with this 500% surge in RAM prices, I don't think it's still enough to just buy more.

fragmede 2mo ago
To your point, consumer computer memory has stagnated at 8/16 GiB of RAM for a while.