> And we live in a society. Correct. > So by extension we do already accept that neutral procedures are possible Doesn't follow. > and that we have achieved

> And we live in a society. Correct. > So by extension we do already accept that neutral procedures are possible Doesn't follow. > and that we have achieved them. Doesn't follow. > The English Common Law systems and their derivatives are an astonishing success in achieving general fairness. That depends entirely upon what you mean by "fairness," which will itself be loaded with presumptions about how the world is and ought to be. > People arguing against it have, with remarkable consistency, failed to come up with anything that reaches it's level of neutrality. Define "neutrality." > Neutral procedures are a solved problem If this were true we wouldn't be having this discussion. > the tricky part is convincing the law enforcement system to do things by the book. "Draw the rest of the owl."