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>On Modern there are guidelines, horizontal swipe and pagination is key. You're used to high information density, utilization of screen real estate to show as m

by Nilzor 14y ago

>On Modern there are guidelines, horizontal swipe and pagination is key. You're used to high information density, utilization of screen real estate to show as much as possible on one screen to avoid a user needing to navigate away? Forget that on Modern UI. Whitespace rules, it is like the GMail redesign on steroids Hold it there. They are called guidelines [1] because they're guidelines. You don't have to enforce them! That said, they're there for a reason! The reason is that you use your finger on tablets, not a high-precision mouse device. Seriously, have you tried operating Excel on a touch device? Second, who says enterprise apps can't be made with this kind of UI? Some guys succeed [2]. You just have to think new. Of course Office in its current form can't be made for Win RT. [1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh465424.aspx http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh46542... [2] http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/14/one-dev-at-least-is-doing-great-on-windows-8/ http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/14/one-dev-at-least-is-doing-g...

gnaffle 14y ago
Yet, iOS has a much higher information density than WinRT and still works very well. Of course you can ignore the guidelines, if _most_ apps follow the guidelines you will end up with a platform that looks very good in product demos but isn't as good to use for actual work.
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pinaceae 14y ago
well, here it gets tricky. we are working closely with MS, they are guiding us. Visual Studio also only allows you to deviate so much from the UI sets. then, let's take a look at the BI app you're using as a reference: http://www.pushbi.com/Videos.aspx http://www.pushbi.com/Videos.aspx Notice how it is all about horizontal scrolling? Looks nice, right? How does the user know, where he is? Each "page" has a different meaning, function, but they are a fluid horizontal canvas. Notice something else? Surface is a 16:9 device, MS is using this as a standard. this emphasis the horizontal even more than the vertical. I am not convinced this works for complex apps with data entry. The BI app is more for consumption, you flip through your reports. Notice how they shoot you out to their online dashboards? Discoverability is a key issue I have with Modern UI. Some buttons can be exposed directly, but the guidelines are pushing you into button bars which only appear through swipes (from top or from bottom). Colleagues have tried it with their kids. iOS, Android? No problem for a 4-year old to figure it out. Modern UI? Frustration. And yes, I am comparing the typical business user to a 4 year old when it comes to patience in learning a new UI scheme.
- MattRogish 14y ago
  iPad-induced accidental downvote. Apologies.

by Nilzor 14y ago

gnaffle 14y ago

Yet, iOS has a much higher information density than WinRT and still works very well. Of course you can ignore the guidelines, if _most_ apps follow the guidelines you will end up with a platform that looks very good in product demos but isn't as good to use for actual work.

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pinaceae 14y ago

well, here it gets tricky. we are working closely with MS, they are guiding us. Visual Studio also only allows you to deviate so much from the UI sets. then, let's take a look at the BI app you're using as a reference: http://www.pushbi.com/Videos.aspx http://www.pushbi.com/Videos.aspx Notice how it is all about horizontal scrolling? Looks nice, right? How does the user know, where he is? Each "page" has a different meaning, function, but they are a fluid horizontal canvas. Notice something else? Surface is a 16:9 device, MS is using this as a standard. this emphasis the horizontal even more than the vertical. I am not convinced this works for complex apps with data entry. The BI app is more for consumption, you flip through your reports. Notice how they shoot you out to their online dashboards? Discoverability is a key issue I have with Modern UI. Some buttons can be exposed directly, but the guidelines are pushing you into button bars which only appear through swipes (from top or from bottom). Colleagues have tried it with their kids. iOS, Android? No problem for a 4-year old to figure it out. Modern UI? Frustration. And yes, I am comparing the typical business user to a 4 year old when it comes to patience in learning a new UI scheme.

MattRogish 14y ago
iPad-induced accidental downvote. Apologies.