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Out-of-hand dismissal of Terence Tao is certainly a take. And the term "artificial intelligence (AI)" has been the name of the field for 70 years and counting.
by frozenseven 2mo ago
Out-of-hand dismissal of Terence Tao is certainly a take.
And the term "artificial intelligence (AI)" has been the name of the field for 70 years and counting. If anything, "LLM" is a misnomer that's been lingering around since 2018-19. When the term was coined, these systems were relatively small, experimental, and could only produce impractical facsimiles of the English language. This is obviously no longer the case today.
- eloisant 2mo ago"artificial intelligence" is a vague and moving target. I'm not sure I would call that "a field". It's been used to talk about computers playing chess, then machine learning, and now LLM-based systems.
- frozenseven 2mo agoOf course it's been "used" to talk about those things, because all of those things are examples of AI. Always have been.
- qsera 2mo agoThen it has always been the age of "AI"...So the article title is inaccurate!
- frozenseven 2mo agoWe can meaningfully talk about (1) the existence of a field and (2) the said field hitting its stride. The title of Tao's article denotes the latter. And oh, what a stride it is: https://vibemathed.com/stats https://vibemathed.com/stats
- qsera 2mo ago>This is obviously no longer the case today. Advancement in capability does not mean the mechanism is the different. The LLM name denotes a very specific mechanism..
- frozenseven 2mo ago>The LLM name denotes a very specific mechanism.. No, not really. This is just the term that stuck around. The "large" is now up to five orders of magnitude larger and "language model" has gone far beyond any simple notion of modeling a singular natural language. And anything you'd cite about transformers, or tokens, or autoregression, etc., is more of a factoid about what works best and happens to be the most convenient in the here and now. I see all of this as an unbroken continuation of work that's been going on since the 1940s. Instead of trying to play word games, why can't you just read Tao's article?
- qsera 2mo ago> The "large" is now up to five orders of magnitude larger and "language model" has gone far beyond any simple notion of modeling a singular natural language. Does not matter. It is still an LLM. And I am not the one who is playing word games. You and your idols are, for sake of marketing.
- frozenseven 2mo ago>Does not matter. It is still an LLM. Cool. So now you can accept that "LLMs" are an obvious example of AI. >You and your idols are, for sake of marketing. Let's be very clear here. Terence Tao is arguably the greatest mathematician alive. Yet, you are throwing lazy insults and accusations around because you don't like the term "AI". And that's my final comment for you, troll.
- qsera 2mo ago> So now you can accept that "LLMs" are an obvious example of AI... Not sure what this has to do with what I said. A lot of things have been called "AI" in various times. None of them including the current crop of LLMs are not really AI. But people use AI term loosly and that is fine. But it is a problem when a some thought leader does it. >troll. Tell me you have run out of arguments without saying you have run out of arguments...
- chrisjj 2mo ago> "LLM" is a misnomer Google's LLM here says: Calling a Large Language Model (LLM) an "LLM" is a misnomer ... Case closed /i
- frozenseven 2mo agoWell, suit yourself. At the rate we're going, the Millennium Prize Problems will start falling before the year is over.