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I guess this makes sense for the scenario when we will use machine intelligence as a currency, maybe 15-20 years from now? - like I can pay 15 minutes of infere

by dwa3592 1mo ago

I guess this makes sense for the scenario when we will use machine intelligence as a currency, maybe 15-20 years from now? - like I can pay 15 minutes of inference for a dozen bananas? and the banana seller uses those 15 minutes to do banana shelling or removing weeds from their farms or whatever i guess when robots are doing everything. right??

jonahx 1mo ago
I think this is exactly the bet they're making. I was totally confused by what connected the two companies until I realized "tokens" are basically a nascent, and rapidly growing, "currency".
- rossdavidh 1mo ago
  Overthinking it. "You have money and need to seem AIish for the stock market, we want real money". You notice they don't do this deal in tokens, they do it in fiat currency.
- mbreese 1mo ago
  Except that tokens aren’t completely fungible yet. But, I think we’re approaching the point where it is close enough to be a “proof of work” analog.
bluefirebrand 1mo ago
I hope we aren't on track for this future and if we are I hope a substantial number of people rebel. This is among the more hellish futures I can imagine. Our worth as people reduced to how much access we have to compute. Gross.
- nemomarx 1mo ago
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- dwa3592 1mo ago
  I hope not; there are a few assumptions in this future- the biggest one is - we will have to attain a baseline intelligence which is useful for everyone which is not true today. even fable fumbles hard!! second is that everyone will have to own a medium to use this intelligence (aka robots). like a currency is useless if you can't use it. to me this is the least daunting scenario. all other scenarios lead to mass slavery.
  - bluefirebrand 1mo ago
    > the biggest one is - we will have to attain a baseline intelligence which is useful for everyone which is not true today That's not the biggest assumption. The biggest assumption I see is that the population will have the baseline understanding of how to operate in this new paradigm, which seems impossible given how useless many people still are with computers Incidentally, this is also why I think Bitcoin is such a non-starter for most people
- heurist 1mo ago
  It doesn't make much sense as compute isn't all that scarce (relative to other commodities) and will be less so in 15 years.
  - dwa3592 1mo ago
    Does it have to be scarce for it to become a currency? It just needs to be regulated which I think it will be.
yipinwong 1mo ago
This won't work because you consider humans as a logical being (Homosapiens is a misnormer). People will revolt first should one have to trade physical goods (such as food that we need for daily lives) with computing power. It only takes a few people to incite.
- dwa3592 1mo ago
  i like what you did with misnormer. it's like pobody's nerfect. you are right, there will be revolt definitely. i think computing power will replace a lot of things though.
  - yipinwong 1mo ago
    I agree that the computing power will replace not just softwares and also as many phycial work via robots. I am not smart enough to see further what else are disposable or replaceable

by dwa3592 1mo ago

jonahx 1mo ago

I think this is exactly the bet they're making. I was totally confused by what connected the two companies until I realized "tokens" are basically a nascent, and rapidly growing, "currency".

rossdavidh 1mo ago
Overthinking it. "You have money and need to seem AIish for the stock market, we want real money". You notice they don't do this deal in tokens, they do it in fiat currency.
mbreese 1mo ago
Except that tokens aren’t completely fungible yet. But, I think we’re approaching the point where it is close enough to be a “proof of work” analog.

bluefirebrand 1mo ago

I hope we aren't on track for this future and if we are I hope a substantial number of people rebel. This is among the more hellish futures I can imagine. Our worth as people reduced to how much access we have to compute. Gross.

nemomarx 1mo ago
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dwa3592 1mo ago
I hope not; there are a few assumptions in this future- the biggest one is - we will have to attain a baseline intelligence which is useful for everyone which is not true today. even fable fumbles hard!! second is that everyone will have to own a medium to use this intelligence (aka robots). like a currency is useless if you can't use it. to me this is the least daunting scenario. all other scenarios lead to mass slavery.
- bluefirebrand 1mo ago
  > the biggest one is - we will have to attain a baseline intelligence which is useful for everyone which is not true today That's not the biggest assumption. The biggest assumption I see is that the population will have the baseline understanding of how to operate in this new paradigm, which seems impossible given how useless many people still are with computers Incidentally, this is also why I think Bitcoin is such a non-starter for most people
heurist 1mo ago
It doesn't make much sense as compute isn't all that scarce (relative to other commodities) and will be less so in 15 years.
- dwa3592 1mo ago
  Does it have to be scarce for it to become a currency? It just needs to be regulated which I think it will be.

yipinwong 1mo ago

This won't work because you consider humans as a logical being (Homosapiens is a misnormer). People will revolt first should one have to trade physical goods (such as food that we need for daily lives) with computing power. It only takes a few people to incite.

dwa3592 1mo ago
i like what you did with misnormer. it's like pobody's nerfect. you are right, there will be revolt definitely. i think computing power will replace a lot of things though.
- yipinwong 1mo ago
  I agree that the computing power will replace not just softwares and also as many phycial work via robots. I am not smart enough to see further what else are disposable or replaceable