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It isn't the only wrong thing they're calling it. They're also calling it a successor to sandstorm.io, which it clearly is not.

kentonv 2mo ago
Eh? Why do you feel it's inaccurate to call it a successor to sandstorm.io?
- kentonv 2mo ago
  For the record. I am the lead engineer on Cloudflare OS (and Cloudflare Workers). I am also the creator of Sandstorm.io. And I'm the one calling it a successor. Wasn't some marketing decision -- that's directly from me. Honestly really interested to know why you feel this isn't accurate. FWIW, I didn't choose the name Cloudflare OS -- but I did frequently describe Sandstorm as being an OS, back in the day. Sure, it layers on top of Linux, but it's an environment where you install apps and run them, with the platform managing the execution environment, permissions, resource management, etc. That's sort of what an OS does. Cloudflare OS does all that as well.
  - keeda 2mo ago
    Awww, I was hoping GP would respond before they realized who they were responding to, could have been a classic exchange in the vein of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35079 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35079
    - fragmede 2mo ago
      If you go up a level and read the other parts of that discussion, it's quite rewarding.
    - Brian_K_White 2mo ago
      "Whoever did write this doesn't know the first thing about Kurt Vonnegut!"
  - giancarlostoro 2mo ago
    I didn't know about Sandstorm, but you might have an easier way conveying this by stating "Created and inspired by Sandstorm.io and its creator." I think the "inspired by" remark is easier for most to understand, and it sells it more if you point out that you're its author. As for the name, yeah, not really a fan as I noted above.
    - kentonv 2mo ago
      FWIW none of Cloudflare's marketing material mentions the Sandstorm connection, it was something I said in personal tweets: https://x.com/KentonVarda/status/2084990137180590572 https://x.com/KentonVarda/status/2084990137180590572
  - mnutt 2mo ago
    Heh, from earlier this year: https://sandstorm.zulipchat.com/user_uploads/70121/TaTwcgiUEsaGKcvpc_2SapxA/sandstorm-os.mp4 https://sandstorm.zulipchat.com/user_uploads/70121/TaTwcgiUE...
- benatkin 2mo ago
  FWIW I saw the original posts, knew who wrote them, and know that Cloudflare OS is open source. It's because Sandstorm is about running anyone's apps, while where you introduce it you say this: > the AI cannot introduce a significant security bug https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49183266 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49183266 That suggests running your own apps, which is a different thing.
  - kentonv 2mo ago
    The AI-authored apps aspect is obviously something that Sandstorm didn't have. But Cloudflare OS also supports a concept of "blueprints", where, once you've built your app, you create a "blueprint" (a copy of the code) and share it with others, from which they can create their own instances of the app. So it is still very much about sharing apps and running other people's apps, and the sandbox makes this safe and compliant even if you're not sure the app developer knows what they're doing.

kentonv 2mo ago

Eh? Why do you feel it's inaccurate to call it a successor to sandstorm.io?

kentonv 2mo ago
For the record. I am the lead engineer on Cloudflare OS (and Cloudflare Workers). I am also the creator of Sandstorm.io. And I'm the one calling it a successor. Wasn't some marketing decision -- that's directly from me. Honestly really interested to know why you feel this isn't accurate. FWIW, I didn't choose the name Cloudflare OS -- but I did frequently describe Sandstorm as being an OS, back in the day. Sure, it layers on top of Linux, but it's an environment where you install apps and run them, with the platform managing the execution environment, permissions, resource management, etc. That's sort of what an OS does. Cloudflare OS does all that as well.
- keeda 2mo ago
  Awww, I was hoping GP would respond before they realized who they were responding to, could have been a classic exchange in the vein of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35079 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35079
  - fragmede 2mo ago
    If you go up a level and read the other parts of that discussion, it's quite rewarding.
  - Brian_K_White 2mo ago
    "Whoever did write this doesn't know the first thing about Kurt Vonnegut!"
- giancarlostoro 2mo ago
  I didn't know about Sandstorm, but you might have an easier way conveying this by stating "Created and inspired by Sandstorm.io and its creator." I think the "inspired by" remark is easier for most to understand, and it sells it more if you point out that you're its author. As for the name, yeah, not really a fan as I noted above.
  - kentonv 2mo ago
    FWIW none of Cloudflare's marketing material mentions the Sandstorm connection, it was something I said in personal tweets: https://x.com/KentonVarda/status/2084990137180590572 https://x.com/KentonVarda/status/2084990137180590572
- mnutt 2mo ago
  Heh, from earlier this year: https://sandstorm.zulipchat.com/user_uploads/70121/TaTwcgiUEsaGKcvpc_2SapxA/sandstorm-os.mp4 https://sandstorm.zulipchat.com/user_uploads/70121/TaTwcgiUE...
benatkin 2mo ago
FWIW I saw the original posts, knew who wrote them, and know that Cloudflare OS is open source. It's because Sandstorm is about running anyone's apps, while where you introduce it you say this: > the AI cannot introduce a significant security bug https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49183266 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49183266 That suggests running your own apps, which is a different thing.
- kentonv 2mo ago
  The AI-authored apps aspect is obviously something that Sandstorm didn't have. But Cloudflare OS also supports a concept of "blueprints", where, once you've built your app, you create a "blueprint" (a copy of the code) and share it with others, from which they can create their own instances of the app. So it is still very much about sharing apps and running other people's apps, and the sandbox makes this safe and compliant even if you're not sure the app developer knows what they're doing.