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> They also left the public in the dark about the risk of vaccine-associated myocarditis, especially in young males, many of whom experienced permanent heart ti

> They also left the public in the dark about the risk of vaccine-associated myocarditis, especially in young males, many of whom experienced permanent heart tissue damage. Not true. This was correctly disclosed in the trial results as a super super super tail risk. Once they realized that the (minuscule) risk could be even further mitigated by simply spacing out the booster schedule, they adjusted that (Feb 2022). Nobody was "left in the dark"

jambalaya8 2mo ago
again. over how long.
- estearum 2mo ago
  What?
  - jambalaya8 2mo ago
    the risk of heart issues.
lern_too_spel 2mo ago
What's more, they found that myocarditis risk was higher in the unvaccinated population after infection. This information didn't get to the so-called "skeptics," who willfully ignored data that didn't fit their conspiracy theory. https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-poses-higher-risk-for-myocarditis-than-vaccines https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-...
- jambalaya8 2mo ago
  I also get a kick out of people only looking for side effects they think of as side effects, since they are what people think of as side effects for completely different types of technologies.
  - estearum 2mo ago
    What?
- Argonaut998 2mo ago
  >In men younger than 40 years old, the number of excess myocarditis events per million people was higher after a second dose of mRNA-1273 than after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test (97 [95% CI, 91–99] versus 16 [95% CI, 12–18]). From your own study you linked. The first comment I ever posted on HN was regarding a similar study where there was no control group whatsoever for unvaccinated people. I can’t get over the sunk cost reaction to this vaccine. No one who was not immunocompromised should have ever taken it. Period. And this is just regarding your study. Remember how the AstraZeneca vaccine (it was called the “Oxford vaccine” before that bad PR) was taken off the market instantly after reports of blood clots. One can go on endlessly.
  - estearum 2mo ago
    Let's assume that it's correct that "no one who was not immunocompromised should have ever taken it." (It's not, but let's assume that it is) Was this knowably true in Q1 2021? Can you please share the specific, contemporaneously available information that made this knowably true? If you can't, then it's not "sunk cost" infecting someone else's thinking, it's hindsight bias infecting yours.
  - lern_too_spel 2mo ago
    It was already recommended that healthy young men get the Pfizer vaccine instead of the Moderna vaccine. I'm not sure why you're bringing the non-mRNA AstraZeneca vaccine into this. Keep your conspiracy theories straight.
    - Argonaut998 2mo ago
      Until when? At what point? Where exactly? The Astra Zeneca (Oxford) vaccine is relevant because it was taken off the market almost immediately after the effects were found. The technology behind it is utterly irrelevant to the point that I am making. How am I a conspiracy theorist when I literally pointed out what the study said. Is it not a fact that the Oxford vaccine was taken off the market almost immediately after effects were concretely found.
      - 2mo ago

jambalaya8 2mo ago

again. over how long.

estearum 2mo ago
What?
- jambalaya8 2mo ago
  the risk of heart issues.

lern_too_spel 2mo ago

What's more, they found that myocarditis risk was higher in the unvaccinated population after infection. This information didn't get to the so-called "skeptics," who willfully ignored data that didn't fit their conspiracy theory. https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-poses-higher-risk-for-myocarditis-than-vaccines https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-...

jambalaya8 2mo ago
I also get a kick out of people only looking for side effects they think of as side effects, since they are what people think of as side effects for completely different types of technologies.
- estearum 2mo ago
  What?
Argonaut998 2mo ago
>In men younger than 40 years old, the number of excess myocarditis events per million people was higher after a second dose of mRNA-1273 than after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test (97 [95% CI, 91–99] versus 16 [95% CI, 12–18]). From your own study you linked. The first comment I ever posted on HN was regarding a similar study where there was no control group whatsoever for unvaccinated people. I can’t get over the sunk cost reaction to this vaccine. No one who was not immunocompromised should have ever taken it. Period. And this is just regarding your study. Remember how the AstraZeneca vaccine (it was called the “Oxford vaccine” before that bad PR) was taken off the market instantly after reports of blood clots. One can go on endlessly.
- estearum 2mo ago
  Let's assume that it's correct that "no one who was not immunocompromised should have ever taken it." (It's not, but let's assume that it is) Was this knowably true in Q1 2021? Can you please share the specific, contemporaneously available information that made this knowably true? If you can't, then it's not "sunk cost" infecting someone else's thinking, it's hindsight bias infecting yours.
- lern_too_spel 2mo ago
  It was already recommended that healthy young men get the Pfizer vaccine instead of the Moderna vaccine. I'm not sure why you're bringing the non-mRNA AstraZeneca vaccine into this. Keep your conspiracy theories straight.
  - Argonaut998 2mo ago
    Until when? At what point? Where exactly? The Astra Zeneca (Oxford) vaccine is relevant because it was taken off the market almost immediately after the effects were found. The technology behind it is utterly irrelevant to the point that I am making. How am I a conspiracy theorist when I literally pointed out what the study said. Is it not a fact that the Oxford vaccine was taken off the market almost immediately after effects were concretely found.
    - 2mo ago