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what a nice externality example "I recommend anyone in those locations buy an air purifier for their kids' rooms" I drive the car, you buy the purifier.

Aurornis 1mo ago
What’s your suggestion? Just sit there and be angry that transportation exists? You don’t think the parent commenter is also using transportation? The pollution from transport also occurs with trains, buses, and any other vehicle that has wheels, brakes, or moves fast enough to stir up the air and kick particulates into the air. People do what they can and control what’s within their reach.
- vincnetas 1mo ago
  So to give you other example. You live and nearby opens a chemical plant and starts smelling, so you just buy gas mask and hazmat suit or start complaining? And yes other means of transport also does pollute, but amount is is critical here. You need much less public transport than you need individual cars. I perfectly understand that there is no quick solution (only quick patch with air purifier) so thats why we should not normalise this and remember to complain (after buying air purifier)
kakacik 1mo ago
I drive the car, you buy/rent cheap place because its shitty polluted noisy place, so compensate that with air purifier. There is no free lunch in healthy society, there are good reasons for rent for same amount of m2 do wildly differ across same city and its not just sunset views or distance to work
- II2II 1mo ago
  I got tired of that sort of argument when I realized that a great many of the people who argued that they have the right to tear down the side streets of walkable downtown neighbourhoods lived in unwalkable suburban neighbourhoods. Those unwalkable neighbourhoods were usually designed with a single access road to ensure there was no through traffic, so they would never have to deal with that problem. Then those same people had the audacity to ask everyone to pay for additional access roads when they realized that a single access road was a disaster when their neighbourhood needed emergency services and had to be evacuated (because it was burning to the ground). Of course, those additional access roads had to be designed to discourage through traffic. Am I bitter about that? Yes. There is nothing wrong with wanting the best for you. There is something dearly wrong with using what's best for you to make life worse for others.
red-iron-pine 1mo ago
the purifier is $30 and low maintenance. buying a new house will have $40k in reltor fees alone, $2k for movers, plus the, you know, hundreds of thousands for the new house. and what if I like my current house, it's in a busy hip area? or should I launch a multi-year lobbying campaign in the city and/or state and/or national level to have roads moved?
- queenkjuul 1mo ago
  Cant hurt to buy the filter and also lobby for safer transportation

Aurornis 1mo ago

What’s your suggestion? Just sit there and be angry that transportation exists? You don’t think the parent commenter is also using transportation? The pollution from transport also occurs with trains, buses, and any other vehicle that has wheels, brakes, or moves fast enough to stir up the air and kick particulates into the air. People do what they can and control what’s within their reach.

vincnetas 1mo ago
So to give you other example. You live and nearby opens a chemical plant and starts smelling, so you just buy gas mask and hazmat suit or start complaining? And yes other means of transport also does pollute, but amount is is critical here. You need much less public transport than you need individual cars. I perfectly understand that there is no quick solution (only quick patch with air purifier) so thats why we should not normalise this and remember to complain (after buying air purifier)

kakacik 1mo ago

I drive the car, you buy/rent cheap place because its shitty polluted noisy place, so compensate that with air purifier. There is no free lunch in healthy society, there are good reasons for rent for same amount of m2 do wildly differ across same city and its not just sunset views or distance to work

II2II 1mo ago
I got tired of that sort of argument when I realized that a great many of the people who argued that they have the right to tear down the side streets of walkable downtown neighbourhoods lived in unwalkable suburban neighbourhoods. Those unwalkable neighbourhoods were usually designed with a single access road to ensure there was no through traffic, so they would never have to deal with that problem. Then those same people had the audacity to ask everyone to pay for additional access roads when they realized that a single access road was a disaster when their neighbourhood needed emergency services and had to be evacuated (because it was burning to the ground). Of course, those additional access roads had to be designed to discourage through traffic. Am I bitter about that? Yes. There is nothing wrong with wanting the best for you. There is something dearly wrong with using what's best for you to make life worse for others.

red-iron-pine 1mo ago

the purifier is $30 and low maintenance. buying a new house will have $40k in reltor fees alone, $2k for movers, plus the, you know, hundreds of thousands for the new house. and what if I like my current house, it's in a busy hip area? or should I launch a multi-year lobbying campaign in the city and/or state and/or national level to have roads moved?

queenkjuul 1mo ago
Cant hurt to buy the filter and also lobby for safer transportation