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If we are talking about points people don't make, how about this: your life is going to get harder and worse as you get older. Your dreams will very likely die.

If we are talking about points people don't make, how about this: your life is going to get harder and worse as you get older. Your dreams will very likely die. Having kids will make that more clear, but honestly I know plenty of people with and without kids and they all struggle with the not fulfilling their ambitions (or realizing those ambitions and finding they weren't what they imagined), the fading of youth, disenchantment with their jobs, etc. Kids are all the horrible things you have heard, but it is a way to grow, it is a very concrete reason to live, at least until they move out. I very much feel the author of this post and I hope that they (and I) keep the fire that drives ambition, but grow enough to enjoy the fire itself, not care quite so much about being productive or scoring points in whatever game.

le-mark 2mo ago
> it is a very concrete reason to live, at least until they move out Even after that, I think being there for major life events is important too; college graduations, weddings, birth of grand babies.
Jtarii 2mo ago
This seems like a very strange way to look at children, in effect they are a means to an ends for you personally to think your life means something. Surely you would want children because you think the world is intrinsicly beautiful and would want them to experience that? If you think life is bitter and depressing then why on earth would you force someone else to experience that as well? It just seems like a very nihilistic and egotistical way of viewing children. Your children will also grow old and their dreams will also die and they will be faced with the same problems in life that you are currently facing.
- thenoblesunfish 1mo ago
  My point is that nihilism and egotism are coming for you with or without children. (And I, like many more than will admit, didn't want children, but my partner did)

le-mark 2mo ago

> it is a very concrete reason to live, at least until they move out Even after that, I think being there for major life events is important too; college graduations, weddings, birth of grand babies.

Jtarii 2mo ago

This seems like a very strange way to look at children, in effect they are a means to an ends for you personally to think your life means something. Surely you would want children because you think the world is intrinsicly beautiful and would want them to experience that? If you think life is bitter and depressing then why on earth would you force someone else to experience that as well? It just seems like a very nihilistic and egotistical way of viewing children. Your children will also grow old and their dreams will also die and they will be faced with the same problems in life that you are currently facing.

thenoblesunfish 1mo ago
My point is that nihilism and egotism are coming for you with or without children. (And I, like many more than will admit, didn't want children, but my partner did)