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What I meant to say was, the standard for when we call something addictive is more hazy than that. In general, text based interfaces don't light up the brain in

What I meant to say was, the standard for when we call something addictive is more hazy than that. In general, text based interfaces don't light up the brain in the same way. Psychologically it's a lot easier to walk away from a chatbot vs an infinite feed of short form video... potentially that difference could help find some kind of standard to determine addictiveness Edit: I wonder if a hypothetical digital experience like the samizdat out of infinite jest is possible? I.e. a digital experience which hits the brain in the perfect way to produce addiction without a chemical basis

ToucanLoucan 2mo ago
> What I meant to say was, the standard for when we call something addictive is more hazy than that. If you as a person engage with a product to a degree where it causes demonstrable, measurable harm to yourself or your life, you are addicted.
- matrix87 2mo ago
  If I cut my leg off with a chainsaw, am I addicted to the chainsaw? I think what matters is the intent of the design. E.g. if they design the product to make you need more of it (while it has an actively detrimental effect)
  - ToucanLoucan 2mo ago
    > If I cut my leg off with a chainsaw, am I addicted to the chainsaw? If you repeatedly willingly do so despite the harm, then yes.
    - blackqueeriroh 2mo ago
      You have moved the goalpost.
      - UpsideDownRide 2mo ago
        Stop using buzzwords instead of engaging in a discussion. Someone clarifying their position is not necessairly moving goalposts, they might have just not laid out fully their idea in the first place.
    - philipallstar 2mo ago
      But you still did it. If I sunbathe every day without sun cream, whom do we regulate? Assuming people have no ability to choose.
      - stevesimmons 2mo ago
        For sunbathing in particular, do what Australia does: - large scale public health campaigns on dangers of skin cancer. With a catchy song and slogan ("slip, slop, slap... Slip on a shirt, slop on sunscreen, slap on a hat") - schools make it compulsory for kids to have hats in summer - regulate tanning salons, promote fake tans in preference to sunbeds - doctors check people for skin cancers during regular checkups And over just a few years, being very brown quickly gets associated with being reckless and unhealthy. In other words, regulate and educate
      - ToucanLoucan 2mo ago
        It’s not about regulation it’s about intervention. It’s not that you’re not allowed to saw pieces of yourself off with a chainsaw, stranger of a choice as that may be. The idea is people in your life who care about you may want to intervene to stop you, as no matter how pleasurable you might find what you’re doing to be, it’s slowly killing you. And that’s not even going into the science behind addiction where the whole “but you chose to do this” gets more and more dubious the deeper you go.

ToucanLoucan 2mo ago

> What I meant to say was, the standard for when we call something addictive is more hazy than that. If you as a person engage with a product to a degree where it causes demonstrable, measurable harm to yourself or your life, you are addicted.

matrix87 2mo ago
If I cut my leg off with a chainsaw, am I addicted to the chainsaw? I think what matters is the intent of the design. E.g. if they design the product to make you need more of it (while it has an actively detrimental effect)
- ToucanLoucan 2mo ago
  > If I cut my leg off with a chainsaw, am I addicted to the chainsaw? If you repeatedly willingly do so despite the harm, then yes.
  - blackqueeriroh 2mo ago
    You have moved the goalpost.
    - UpsideDownRide 2mo ago
      Stop using buzzwords instead of engaging in a discussion. Someone clarifying their position is not necessairly moving goalposts, they might have just not laid out fully their idea in the first place.
  - philipallstar 2mo ago
    But you still did it. If I sunbathe every day without sun cream, whom do we regulate? Assuming people have no ability to choose.
    - stevesimmons 2mo ago
      For sunbathing in particular, do what Australia does: - large scale public health campaigns on dangers of skin cancer. With a catchy song and slogan ("slip, slop, slap... Slip on a shirt, slop on sunscreen, slap on a hat") - schools make it compulsory for kids to have hats in summer - regulate tanning salons, promote fake tans in preference to sunbeds - doctors check people for skin cancers during regular checkups And over just a few years, being very brown quickly gets associated with being reckless and unhealthy. In other words, regulate and educate
    - ToucanLoucan 2mo ago
      It’s not about regulation it’s about intervention. It’s not that you’re not allowed to saw pieces of yourself off with a chainsaw, stranger of a choice as that may be. The idea is people in your life who care about you may want to intervene to stop you, as no matter how pleasurable you might find what you’re doing to be, it’s slowly killing you. And that’s not even going into the science behind addiction where the whole “but you chose to do this” gets more and more dubious the deeper you go.