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No, overwhelmingly more people support a single payer healthcare system. The issue is that the people in Washington won’t make it a “votable” decision.

by ziofill 2mo ago

ajross 2mo ago
> The issue is that the people in Washington won’t make it a “votable” decision. Sorry, that's ridiculous. Universal Health Care policies are an almost 100% partisan issue. I can literally count on one hand the number of federal lawmakers who cross party lines here. The real problem is people like you refusing to vote for the people with the policy you want, as often as not as part of a bothsidesist stance designed to get more upvote in peer forums like HN. The two party system may be flawed and unjust, sure. But people who want single payer are still democrats.
- anonymars 2mo ago
  > The real problem is people like you refusing to vote for the people with the policy you want, as often as not as part of a bothsidesist stance designed to get more upvote in peer forums like HN That's a lot of words they didn't say. It is a true statement that Congress did not give the USA single-payer healthcare nor even a public option. Nothing about that says anything about who voted for whom, where anyone even lives for that matter, or anything about political parties. To say this is the fault of "people like you" is out of line.
  - ajross 1mo ago
    > That's a lot of words they didn't say. It is a true statement that Congress did not give the USA single-payer healthcare But that is what they didn't say! They said it wasn't "votable", in the sense I took that means that this isn't an issue you can get by voting. And it is, clearly. And was, in 2010, when they were within one senate vote for a "public option" in the ACA. It 100% boggles my mind that you'd look at that once again incredibly partisan voting result and decide "Oh well, I might as well vote republican" (instead of "damn Joe Lieberman").
    - anonymars 1mo ago
      > It 100% boggles my mind that you'd look at that once again incredibly partisan voting result and decide "Oh well, I might as well vote republican" Who said any of this? "I" said nothing of the sort I don't think you're going to convince anyone of anything this way. If anything you'll probably end up turning people off who otherwise would have agreed with you
      - ajross 1mo ago
        > Who said any of this? "I" said nothing of the sort You quite clearly came in to defend someone who did, though. This is the second time you've tried this end-around strawman. Please engage with the discussion as it is.
        anonymars 1mo ago
        > You quite clearly came in to defend someone who did, though > "I already have universal healthcare here in Canada" I don't think I'm the one misreading the discussion as it is. If you take a deep breath and re-read, maybe you'll understand the point I've been trying to make is you're jumping down people's throats that aren't disagreeing with you, which at best does your own arguments a disservice. To put words in someone's mouth and say this is the fault of 'people like you' is out of line. Have a good one
        ajross 1mo ago
        Please don't tone police on HN. If you agree with me but think I'm an asshole, the polite thing to do is just to keep quiet and not troll a discussion by convincing me you disagree. But I'm very happy you agree that health care policy in the USA is among the most directly partisan issues and know who to vote for given those priorities.
        anonymars 1mo ago
        If you think I'm merely "tone policing" then you still miss the point. I don't agree with your translation of "Washington didn't make it a voteable decision" to "both sides are the same" (with the added irony of accusing others of strawmanning). Edit: and even now you still put words in my mouth with your edit (so that's every message in this thread that does so). Best of luck to you
- ziofill 1mo ago
  I already have universal healthcare here in Canada. I just feel sorry for people living in the US who could have it too if it wasn’t for stupid political shenanigans and ideological stubbornness. Health should be a right, not a commodity sold by private corporations to those who can afford it.

No, overwhelmingly more people support a single payer healthcare system. The issue is that the people in Washington won’t make it a “votable” decision.

by ziofill 2mo ago

No, overwhelmingly more people support a single payer healthcare system. The issue is that the people in Washington won’t make it a “votable” decision.

ajross 2mo ago

> The issue is that the people in Washington won’t make it a “votable” decision. Sorry, that's ridiculous. Universal Health Care policies are an almost 100% partisan issue. I can literally count on one hand the number of federal lawmakers who cross party lines here. The real problem is people like you refusing to vote for the people with the policy you want, as often as not as part of a bothsidesist stance designed to get more upvote in peer forums like HN. The two party system may be flawed and unjust, sure. But people who want single payer are still democrats.

anonymars 2mo ago
> The real problem is people like you refusing to vote for the people with the policy you want, as often as not as part of a bothsidesist stance designed to get more upvote in peer forums like HN That's a lot of words they didn't say. It is a true statement that Congress did not give the USA single-payer healthcare nor even a public option. Nothing about that says anything about who voted for whom, where anyone even lives for that matter, or anything about political parties. To say this is the fault of "people like you" is out of line.
- ajross 1mo ago
  > That's a lot of words they didn't say. It is a true statement that Congress did not give the USA single-payer healthcare But that is what they didn't say! They said it wasn't "votable", in the sense I took that means that this isn't an issue you can get by voting. And it is, clearly. And was, in 2010, when they were within one senate vote for a "public option" in the ACA. It 100% boggles my mind that you'd look at that once again incredibly partisan voting result and decide "Oh well, I might as well vote republican" (instead of "damn Joe Lieberman").
  - anonymars 1mo ago
    > It 100% boggles my mind that you'd look at that once again incredibly partisan voting result and decide "Oh well, I might as well vote republican" Who said any of this? "I" said nothing of the sort I don't think you're going to convince anyone of anything this way. If anything you'll probably end up turning people off who otherwise would have agreed with you
    - ajross 1mo ago
      > Who said any of this? "I" said nothing of the sort You quite clearly came in to defend someone who did, though. This is the second time you've tried this end-around strawman. Please engage with the discussion as it is.
      - anonymars 1mo ago
        > You quite clearly came in to defend someone who did, though > "I already have universal healthcare here in Canada" I don't think I'm the one misreading the discussion as it is. If you take a deep breath and re-read, maybe you'll understand the point I've been trying to make is you're jumping down people's throats that aren't disagreeing with you, which at best does your own arguments a disservice. To put words in someone's mouth and say this is the fault of 'people like you' is out of line. Have a good one
        ajross 1mo ago
        Please don't tone police on HN. If you agree with me but think I'm an asshole, the polite thing to do is just to keep quiet and not troll a discussion by convincing me you disagree. But I'm very happy you agree that health care policy in the USA is among the most directly partisan issues and know who to vote for given those priorities.
        anonymars 1mo ago
        If you think I'm merely "tone policing" then you still miss the point. I don't agree with your translation of "Washington didn't make it a voteable decision" to "both sides are the same" (with the added irony of accusing others of strawmanning). Edit: and even now you still put words in my mouth with your edit (so that's every message in this thread that does so). Best of luck to you
ziofill 1mo ago
I already have universal healthcare here in Canada. I just feel sorry for people living in the US who could have it too if it wasn’t for stupid political shenanigans and ideological stubbornness. Health should be a right, not a commodity sold by private corporations to those who can afford it.