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The Linux Desktop people have been singing the song of "works for me" for decades, which is as long as they've been unable to crack double digit users.

stillpointlab 2mo ago
I mean, I'm to blame at the moment as well. I'm putting up with it because I don't want to use Windows, mostly because I'm doing a lot of agent dev and I saw them struggle in a Windows environment. And there is a little spite driving me since Windows 11 is full of ads and I felt like it was pushed on me when I wanted to stay on Windows 10. The vast majority of my computer use has been on MacOS for the last 15+ years, since a Macbook Pro is the standard issue dev environment at every company I have worked at. I had a Windows desktop entirely for gaming that I've repurposed to be a Linux dev box. I genuinely thought all of the hype about Linux desktop that I have seen lately was an indication that it was finally ready for general use. Now that I am vigilant watching RAM I haven't had the freezes. And I refuse to let the OS roll the dice on what program it wants to kill in its last ditch attempt to save itself from a problem it shouldn't have in the first place. And since Firefox seems to demand 800MB-1GB per tab process, it is a reliable scheme to just close heavy tabs when I see memory dip into the danger zone. I just wish RAM wasn't so expensive right now, since I'd buy as much as I could just to avoid this pain.
- cobar 1mo ago
  If you have an extra NVME slot you could look at picking up an Optane 800P drive. Extremely low latency reads and writes, which makes it ideal for swap. They're available for ~$100 on eBay.
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47635274172635 1mo ago
Who should do it for you? If anyone wants they can submit a patch for it. The Linux world is a different kind of beast. I too went through the same motions as many newbies but at some point I just stopped complaining and started fixing what I didn't like. If you start screaming for corporate money which should fix things that's another can of worms, corporate doesn't really do good will, they are usually buying control whenever they pour money into a project. Which can become tricky for Linux.
- parl_match 1mo ago
  "Works for me and if it doesn't work for you, just fix it." Great, I should learn to become a kernel and device driver developer just to have a working desktop environment with non-tearing windowed video (still somehow an issue)? What a fucking joke lmao. I'll just keep buying Macs. > Who should do it for you? People who want me to use it.
  - 47635274172635 1mo ago
    I honestly don't really want you to use it. You want to use it, not me. I am not selling anything, Linus is not selling anything. The kernel is free my dude. Stay on macos. Or windows. Whatever. Have fun. edit: Just to be clear, my point is about entitled people demanding things like they paid for it. You do that in a restaurant, where you pay for the service, you expect certain things. I understand if something isn't working it isn't great, but spitting on it while it's free because you feel entitled is the wrong attitude. That's what a lot of people getting into Linux get wrong, they feel entitled to it, while it's free. You need to adjust your expectations.
    - parl_match 1mo ago
      When someone says > decades, which is as long as they've been unable to crack double digit users and you say > I honestly don't really want you to use it. then you kinda make their point entirely for them. I'm not even going to bother addressing the rest of the projection in your post. Whew.

stillpointlab 2mo ago

I mean, I'm to blame at the moment as well. I'm putting up with it because I don't want to use Windows, mostly because I'm doing a lot of agent dev and I saw them struggle in a Windows environment. And there is a little spite driving me since Windows 11 is full of ads and I felt like it was pushed on me when I wanted to stay on Windows 10. The vast majority of my computer use has been on MacOS for the last 15+ years, since a Macbook Pro is the standard issue dev environment at every company I have worked at. I had a Windows desktop entirely for gaming that I've repurposed to be a Linux dev box. I genuinely thought all of the hype about Linux desktop that I have seen lately was an indication that it was finally ready for general use. Now that I am vigilant watching RAM I haven't had the freezes. And I refuse to let the OS roll the dice on what program it wants to kill in its last ditch attempt to save itself from a problem it shouldn't have in the first place. And since Firefox seems to demand 800MB-1GB per tab process, it is a reliable scheme to just close heavy tabs when I see memory dip into the danger zone. I just wish RAM wasn't so expensive right now, since I'd buy as much as I could just to avoid this pain.

cobar 1mo ago
If you have an extra NVME slot you could look at picking up an Optane 800P drive. Extremely low latency reads and writes, which makes it ideal for swap. They're available for ~$100 on eBay.

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47635274172635 1mo ago

Who should do it for you? If anyone wants they can submit a patch for it. The Linux world is a different kind of beast. I too went through the same motions as many newbies but at some point I just stopped complaining and started fixing what I didn't like. If you start screaming for corporate money which should fix things that's another can of worms, corporate doesn't really do good will, they are usually buying control whenever they pour money into a project. Which can become tricky for Linux.

parl_match 1mo ago
"Works for me and if it doesn't work for you, just fix it." Great, I should learn to become a kernel and device driver developer just to have a working desktop environment with non-tearing windowed video (still somehow an issue)? What a fucking joke lmao. I'll just keep buying Macs. > Who should do it for you? People who want me to use it.
- 47635274172635 1mo ago
  I honestly don't really want you to use it. You want to use it, not me. I am not selling anything, Linus is not selling anything. The kernel is free my dude. Stay on macos. Or windows. Whatever. Have fun. edit: Just to be clear, my point is about entitled people demanding things like they paid for it. You do that in a restaurant, where you pay for the service, you expect certain things. I understand if something isn't working it isn't great, but spitting on it while it's free because you feel entitled is the wrong attitude. That's what a lot of people getting into Linux get wrong, they feel entitled to it, while it's free. You need to adjust your expectations.
  - parl_match 1mo ago
    When someone says > decades, which is as long as they've been unable to crack double digit users and you say > I honestly don't really want you to use it. then you kinda make their point entirely for them. I'm not even going to bother addressing the rest of the projection in your post. Whew.