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It's also extremely expensive. I'm more interested on seeing the next iteration of the PinePhone to fulfill the full Linux phone dream. In the meantime, commo

by Gormo 2mo ago

It's also extremely expensive. I'm more interested on seeing the next iteration of the PinePhone to fulfill the full Linux phone dream. In the meantime, commodity Android phones are still good enough.

fsflover 2mo ago
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- Fnoord 2mo ago
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    - handedness 2mo ago
      > no proprietary drivers unlike anything else on the market You continue to be misleading with your wording. https://docs.puri.sm/Hardware/Librem_5/Maintenance/Modem.html https://docs.puri.sm/Hardware/Librem_5/Maintenance/Modem.htm... You dishonestly promote an $800 product in comment after comment. Hiding your obvious shilling behind the moral cloak of "activism" is pathetic. It's worse than pathetic, as it runs the risk of harming genuine activism.
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      - fsflover 2mo ago
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        handedness 2mo ago
        They really probably aren't going to get lifetime updates to their modem's closed-source firmware. They can't even get timely updates to their modem's closed-source firmware. It's great that the OS is open source, it really is. But all bits going out over the cellular radio are handled by proprietary firmware, same as every other phone out there. Educate me: Is there a way to know when the modem's firmware needs updating? When was the last update shipped?
        fsflover 2mo ago
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        handedness 2mo ago
        What about patching security vulnerabilities? Privacy enhancements? How would I know when the firmware needs updating? How can I find when it was last updated?
        fsflover 2mo ago
        https://forums.puri.sm/t/updating-firmware-on-the-librem-5/24435/4 https://forums.puri.sm/t/updating-firmware-on-the-librem-5/2...
        handedness 2mo ago
        > I never claimed the lifetime updates for the modem, did I? Exactly. You get very precise when you want to paint the device as a panacea of liberty, to the point of potentially misleading people. The rest of the time, not so much.
        fsflover 2mo ago
        Your accusation are so vague, I can't even understand you. Notice how I always give precise links to all your misconceptions and you don't.
    - BearOso 2mo ago
      Not just significantly weaker. The Librem 5 uses the Cortex-A53 low-end ARM designs from 2012, and that particular NXP chip is not among the better implementations. The 3GB of RAM is anemic and becomes a greater restriction as time goes on. Many features simply haven't been implemented (most of the sensors) and those that have been that are technically difficult (i.e. camera) provide only a bare experience. If we're honest about it, the Librem 5 is not something to use as your main phone, it's a toy to experiment with.

by Gormo 2mo ago

fsflover 2mo ago

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Fnoord 2mo ago
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- fsflover 2mo ago
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  - handedness 2mo ago
    > no proprietary drivers unlike anything else on the market You continue to be misleading with your wording. https://docs.puri.sm/Hardware/Librem_5/Maintenance/Modem.html https://docs.puri.sm/Hardware/Librem_5/Maintenance/Modem.htm... You dishonestly promote an $800 product in comment after comment. Hiding your obvious shilling behind the moral cloak of "activism" is pathetic. It's worse than pathetic, as it runs the risk of harming genuine activism.
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    - fsflover 2mo ago
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      - handedness 2mo ago
        They really probably aren't going to get lifetime updates to their modem's closed-source firmware. They can't even get timely updates to their modem's closed-source firmware. It's great that the OS is open source, it really is. But all bits going out over the cellular radio are handled by proprietary firmware, same as every other phone out there. Educate me: Is there a way to know when the modem's firmware needs updating? When was the last update shipped?
        fsflover 2mo ago
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        handedness 2mo ago
        What about patching security vulnerabilities? Privacy enhancements? How would I know when the firmware needs updating? How can I find when it was last updated?
        fsflover 2mo ago
        https://forums.puri.sm/t/updating-firmware-on-the-librem-5/24435/4 https://forums.puri.sm/t/updating-firmware-on-the-librem-5/2...
        handedness 2mo ago
        > I never claimed the lifetime updates for the modem, did I? Exactly. You get very precise when you want to paint the device as a panacea of liberty, to the point of potentially misleading people. The rest of the time, not so much.
        fsflover 2mo ago
        Your accusation are so vague, I can't even understand you. Notice how I always give precise links to all your misconceptions and you don't.
  - BearOso 2mo ago
    Not just significantly weaker. The Librem 5 uses the Cortex-A53 low-end ARM designs from 2012, and that particular NXP chip is not among the better implementations. The 3GB of RAM is anemic and becomes a greater restriction as time goes on. Many features simply haven't been implemented (most of the sensors) and those that have been that are technically difficult (i.e. camera) provide only a bare experience. If we're honest about it, the Librem 5 is not something to use as your main phone, it's a toy to experiment with.