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> I know "defund the police" brings extreme ire from the neo-liberals to the conservatives in the US, but I don't know how you can look at this, and think anyth

> I know "defund the police" brings extreme ire from the neo-liberals to the conservatives in the US, but I don't know how you can look at this, and think anything else In my area, the "Defund the Police" folks on the city council have directly caused a massive increase in overtime by actively thwarting efforts by the mayor and police chief to help improve work conditions and recruiting for the police force. I look at this and see what I see when I look at any government agency: mismanagement and government worker unions with too much power. > These guys are decked out in fully blown war paraphernalia What "guys" are? I see cops every day and none of them are dressed like that. > Has anyone ever called the police? I have, a couple of times. Yep, they've been very responsive and helpful. > I also knew police families growing up. Every single one of them was a raging racist. Sounds like you surrounded yourself with bad people?

shevy-java 2mo ago
> In my area, the "Defund the Police" folks on the city council have directly caused a massive increase in overtime by actively thwarting efforts by the mayor and police chief to help improve work conditions and recruiting for the police force. Here you try to shift blame. Is it really the fault of the defund-the-police folks that a single cop gets almost 500k paid per year? How were this the case? Something is fundamentally broken if cops are paid so much more than regular people.
- jkman 2mo ago
  Do they need to spell it out for you? 'Defund the Police' mentality in politicians means they don't try to improve police staffing -> number of police stays stagnant, even while population is increasing, crime may be increasing w/ the population -> the work doesn't magically disappear, each cop works more hours -> higher pay per-cop, especially with overtime rates Sure, you can dislike the specific numbers here in the bay area (your OP didn't say anything specifically about that btw), but the general principle is very easy to understand
  - slowin 2mo ago
    That's not what defund the police means. It means cutting most or all funding from police departments and redirecting it toward crime lowering initiatives like universal childcare. It's 100% not "higher pay per-cop" or even keeping the number of police stagnant. It's letting them go altogether.
- strictnein 2mo ago
  I don't live where cops get paid $500k a year. And you're acting like the exception here is the rule. Again, where I live the city has struggled hiring police. The mayor and police chief have repeatedly agreed on plans to help recruiting and retainment. The city council has voted them all down, with the "Defund the Police" crowd having a slight majority on the city council. 100% of the people are of the same party btw, so this isn't a GOP vs Dem thing. Because of that, they are understaffed, but we still need police to respond to crimes, so they rack up lots of overtime. I am arguing for cops to be paid less, not more!
slowin 2mo ago
> In my area, the "Defund the Police" folks on the city council have directly caused a massive increase in overtime by actively thwarting efforts by the mayor and police chief to help improve work conditions and recruiting for the police force. Paying cops overtime is not defunding the police. If they were defunded, they wouldn't be getting overtime. > What "guys" are? I see cops every day and none of them are dressed like that. I see cops standing around the mall in full body armor. In the 1980s they didn't even have bullet proof vests, now every cop looks like they're cosplaying Call of Duty. > Yep, they've been very responsive and helpful. I've never heard anyone ever say this. Also cops come after a crime has been committed. It's almost by definition useless to call them. > Sounds like you surrounded yourself with bad people? Sadly I didn't get to decide where I lived as a child and I lived in a cop heavy area, so yeah, I was surrounded by bad people but not by choice.
- strictnein 2mo ago
  > "I've never heard anyone ever say this." Congrats, now you have. Police aren't just there for crimes you know. Wounded animals, car accidents, health emergencies, etc etc etc. > I see cops standing around the mall in full body armor. A vest != "full body armor". Again, you've just said you were surrounded by bad cops. I'm not. There's hundreds of thousands of them across the country. You seem to think that your experience is the one true experience.
  - slowin 2mo ago
    > Wounded animals, car accidents, health emergencies, etc etc etc. People with guns should not be handling any of these jobs. Invest in healthcare, animal control... great use of the defunded police budget! > You seem to think that your experience is the one true experience. The US has the world's largest prison population in the world, by far. It's not just my opinion, it's an objective reality. We basically live in police state.

shevy-java 2mo ago

> In my area, the "Defund the Police" folks on the city council have directly caused a massive increase in overtime by actively thwarting efforts by the mayor and police chief to help improve work conditions and recruiting for the police force. Here you try to shift blame. Is it really the fault of the defund-the-police folks that a single cop gets almost 500k paid per year? How were this the case? Something is fundamentally broken if cops are paid so much more than regular people.

jkman 2mo ago
Do they need to spell it out for you? 'Defund the Police' mentality in politicians means they don't try to improve police staffing -> number of police stays stagnant, even while population is increasing, crime may be increasing w/ the population -> the work doesn't magically disappear, each cop works more hours -> higher pay per-cop, especially with overtime rates Sure, you can dislike the specific numbers here in the bay area (your OP didn't say anything specifically about that btw), but the general principle is very easy to understand
- slowin 2mo ago
  That's not what defund the police means. It means cutting most or all funding from police departments and redirecting it toward crime lowering initiatives like universal childcare. It's 100% not "higher pay per-cop" or even keeping the number of police stagnant. It's letting them go altogether.
strictnein 2mo ago
I don't live where cops get paid $500k a year. And you're acting like the exception here is the rule. Again, where I live the city has struggled hiring police. The mayor and police chief have repeatedly agreed on plans to help recruiting and retainment. The city council has voted them all down, with the "Defund the Police" crowd having a slight majority on the city council. 100% of the people are of the same party btw, so this isn't a GOP vs Dem thing. Because of that, they are understaffed, but we still need police to respond to crimes, so they rack up lots of overtime. I am arguing for cops to be paid less, not more!

slowin 2mo ago

> In my area, the "Defund the Police" folks on the city council have directly caused a massive increase in overtime by actively thwarting efforts by the mayor and police chief to help improve work conditions and recruiting for the police force. Paying cops overtime is not defunding the police. If they were defunded, they wouldn't be getting overtime. > What "guys" are? I see cops every day and none of them are dressed like that. I see cops standing around the mall in full body armor. In the 1980s they didn't even have bullet proof vests, now every cop looks like they're cosplaying Call of Duty. > Yep, they've been very responsive and helpful. I've never heard anyone ever say this. Also cops come after a crime has been committed. It's almost by definition useless to call them. > Sounds like you surrounded yourself with bad people? Sadly I didn't get to decide where I lived as a child and I lived in a cop heavy area, so yeah, I was surrounded by bad people but not by choice.

strictnein 2mo ago
> "I've never heard anyone ever say this." Congrats, now you have. Police aren't just there for crimes you know. Wounded animals, car accidents, health emergencies, etc etc etc. > I see cops standing around the mall in full body armor. A vest != "full body armor". Again, you've just said you were surrounded by bad cops. I'm not. There's hundreds of thousands of them across the country. You seem to think that your experience is the one true experience.
- slowin 2mo ago
  > Wounded animals, car accidents, health emergencies, etc etc etc. People with guns should not be handling any of these jobs. Invest in healthcare, animal control... great use of the defunded police budget! > You seem to think that your experience is the one true experience. The US has the world's largest prison population in the world, by far. It's not just my opinion, it's an objective reality. We basically live in police state.