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perhaps we could employ retired police officers as "school guards". They have the training. Many of them are still in their 40s and 50s.

by gonzo 14y ago

bsg75 14y ago
In some states, non-active LEOs (Law Enforcement Officers) would be prevented by law from being armed, especially as private citizens on school property. H.R.218 is not widely accepted enough to provide for this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enforcement_Officers_Safety_Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enforcement_Officers_Safety...) In my state many middle and high schools have assigned SROs (School Resource Officers / Deputies), whose primary role is not protection, but to work with students. The secondary benefit is the presence an armed, actively trained LEO who could respond to an active shooter. While many would decry the costs of adding these SROs to every Elementary - High School, the cost would likely be insignificant (in terms of money and effect) to turning schools into secured facilities (with prison like barriers). http://www.tricities.com/news/local/article_a66f42d4-4806-11e2-8856-0019bb30f31a.html http://www.tricities.com/news/local/article_a66f42d4-4806-11...
- jack-r-abbit 14y ago
  just to clarify, I was not advocating prison like barriers. I don't know the name of the type glass that is not bullet proof, per se, but even when penetrated with a bullet it still would not allow entry. I've seen glass that has the criss-cross wires in it that is not bullet proof, but the wires make it very difficult to smash out/though. Obviously I don't know the specifics of exactly how he gained entry other than the reported "shot his way in". But if it had taken him 30-60 secs longer to get in... would some lives have been saved?
  - bsg75 14y ago
    > just to clarify, I was not advocating prison like barriers Nor did I think you were, but added due to other comments I have seen in the media. What I did not add / explain in my prior post is that one LEO salary per school (a M-F 7A-3P job) is both something that could be implemented very quickly, without the time and costs associated with reinforcing schools.
    - jack-r-abbit 14y ago
      haha... I should have also clarified that I did not think you thought that. But your comment made me think of my own comment and it seemed fitting to acknowledge it. And agreed about the on-site LEO. I think both are worthy. Particularly if a school has multiple entry points and/or is large. One LEO may not be enough if entry is through an unsecured door across campus.
- bsg75 14y ago
  Came across an article proposing this: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-orange-school-resource-officers-20121217,0,1064511.story http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-or... To which one of the first comments is "How are we going to pay for these SROs in Elemtary Schools now?" My suggestion would be fewer police activities in other nations.

perhaps we could employ retired police officers as "school guards". They have the training. Many of them are still in their 40s and 50s.

by gonzo 14y ago

perhaps we could employ retired police officers as "school guards". They have the training. Many of them are still in their 40s and 50s.

bsg75 14y ago

In some states, non-active LEOs (Law Enforcement Officers) would be prevented by law from being armed, especially as private citizens on school property. H.R.218 is not widely accepted enough to provide for this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enforcement_Officers_Safety_Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enforcement_Officers_Safety...) In my state many middle and high schools have assigned SROs (School Resource Officers / Deputies), whose primary role is not protection, but to work with students. The secondary benefit is the presence an armed, actively trained LEO who could respond to an active shooter. While many would decry the costs of adding these SROs to every Elementary - High School, the cost would likely be insignificant (in terms of money and effect) to turning schools into secured facilities (with prison like barriers). http://www.tricities.com/news/local/article_a66f42d4-4806-11e2-8856-0019bb30f31a.html http://www.tricities.com/news/local/article_a66f42d4-4806-11...

jack-r-abbit 14y ago
just to clarify, I was not advocating prison like barriers. I don't know the name of the type glass that is not bullet proof, per se, but even when penetrated with a bullet it still would not allow entry. I've seen glass that has the criss-cross wires in it that is not bullet proof, but the wires make it very difficult to smash out/though. Obviously I don't know the specifics of exactly how he gained entry other than the reported "shot his way in". But if it had taken him 30-60 secs longer to get in... would some lives have been saved?
- bsg75 14y ago
  > just to clarify, I was not advocating prison like barriers Nor did I think you were, but added due to other comments I have seen in the media. What I did not add / explain in my prior post is that one LEO salary per school (a M-F 7A-3P job) is both something that could be implemented very quickly, without the time and costs associated with reinforcing schools.
  - jack-r-abbit 14y ago
    haha... I should have also clarified that I did not think you thought that. But your comment made me think of my own comment and it seemed fitting to acknowledge it. And agreed about the on-site LEO. I think both are worthy. Particularly if a school has multiple entry points and/or is large. One LEO may not be enough if entry is through an unsecured door across campus.
bsg75 14y ago
Came across an article proposing this: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-orange-school-resource-officers-20121217,0,1064511.story http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-or... To which one of the first comments is "How are we going to pay for these SROs in Elemtary Schools now?" My suggestion would be fewer police activities in other nations.