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>> "The glass only seems to appeal to a certain type of people anyway." What type of people is that? I am just a dad who has them and films his kids doing cute

• MattDaEskimo 2mo ago
  Because you're not _just_ recording your kids. You are a walking surveillance camera that nobody has consented to.
  • pj_mukh 2mo ago
    Which is true for all parents recording all kids with every kind of camera, also in a way that is totally un-actionable. Good faith question: If your worry is, "I don't know you're recording", what did you do with that information when someone was using a digital camera to video record their kids 15 years ago, with you in the background? P.S: if your answer is just "you could be a creep", I totally empathize, but this is for the situation where I am actually just a parent.
    • everdrive 2mo ago
      My phone's camera is not playing all the time and doesn't send the data to Meta. It just records a file locally, it's not the same at all.
      • pj_mukh 2mo ago
        That's..exactly how the Meta glasses work :/, and there has been no evidence otherwise so far. Would love to see it if I missed this.
        • snailmailman 2mo ago
          There have already been stories about meta contractors being able to watch the footage people are recording with the glasses. Recordings included people undressing, on the toilet, and other explicit stuff. https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/meta-workers-seeing-disturbing-things-222335890.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/meta-workers-seeing-dist...
          • pj_mukh 2mo ago
            Yes, That’s an opt-in feature. You can record all the footage you want and keep it on your phone, and they won’t see any of it, unless you ask for it be analyzed by their AI (as laid out in the article you shared). Of course if there was evidence they’re doing it when I haven’t opted in I’d dump em. It’s made clear during onboarding, but I’m sure it could be better.
            • MattDaEskimo 2mo ago
              People don't like to be watched and recorded. That's it. This data - which includes their facial features, geolocation, and activities is not yours to take and immortalize. This should be intuitive to any empathetic human being. One person saying "this breaches my sense of safety and privacy" should be enough for you to understand.
        • dzikimarian 2mo ago
          Meta was caught so many times on stealing user data and bypassing privacy controls that I don't even know how can you suggest believing them with straight face.
    • energy123 2mo ago
      The glasses are a trust destroying device that degrades privacy. If someone shoves a camera in my face in public I am going to move away from that person. If I see them filming someone with me in the background at least I know what is going on and can judge the situation accordingly. Now I don't know. Everyone with glasses is a suspect. It's more public tension, hyper vigilance and uncertainty.
    • dylan604 2mo ago
      > what did you do with that information when someone was using a digital camera to video record their kids 15 years ago, with you in the background? I'm the asshole that covers his face while flipping off the person with the camera. I've done this for years. It used to be for news or other TV based content that they would blur out the finger gesture which meant blurring out my face. I've also noticed a camera in public places and deliberately stepped behind someone else as a blocker, or just moved to be behind the person with the camera. These are easy to do when it's obvious there's a camera. Glassholes are much more difficult to notice. Comparing these as equivalent is just a lack of being rational.
    • economistbob 2mo ago
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  • TiredOfLife 2mo ago
    Everybody has been a walking surveilance camera for at least 26 years if not much longer
    • ben_w 2mo ago
      Walking microphone at best, though I think not "everyone" until early 2010s. Given pockets, I don't think the camera part has ever been an "everyone"-level problem.
• plagiarist 2mo ago
  You say suspicion is warranted, you're still not only charging forward with this but also complaining about other people's perception of you doing so. You're not being left out, you're included in the narrative. You just don't like it. I hope, for the kids' sake, in addition to normalizing the idea that it's okay for dad to be recording them without their awareness, you teach them that most people find the idea of strangers doing this to be creepy and distasteful (for good reason), so they need to be wary around Meta glasses despite seeing them as a quotidian thing.
  • pj_mukh 2mo ago
    If you gave me a non-Meta glass like this, I'd happily switch, and FWIW, if I saw some evidence of Meta doing something untoward with this data, I'd dump them immediately. An unaction'd patent and breathless headlines over "creep glasses" is all I have to go on for now. "in addition to normalizing the idea that it's okay for dad to be recording them without their awareness" They're 2 man. You're at the point of questioning whether parents should be allowed to film their infants. Do we think we're off the deep end a bit?
    • zaphod12 2mo ago
      It's meta - they've been caught doing untoward things at virtually every opportunity. Are you looking for something specific, like the creation of virtual CSAM with them or something? I'm fine with starting out by giving people/companies the benefit of the doubt I guess, but once they have shown you their true colors, you should listen.
      • pj_mukh 2mo ago
        >>like the creation of virtual CSAM with them You think Meta is going to create CSAM with my data? Like I would dump them for using my data for analytics without my permission, but we probably should recalibrate our expectations a bit here.
        • r_lee 2mo ago
• everyone 2mo ago
  So its either the "ever present intrusion" of camera or the ever present intrusion of the glasses? Cant you just live your fucking life without recording everything?
• everdrive 2mo ago
  You liberty is worth nothing. You could hold a camera in your hands. Get a go-pro that records locally, or choose any other option. But nope, you're hoping you can record your child, put their faces in a recognition database associate precise location data, and then hope that Meta does not use this data in ways you don't approve of. (or merely sell it to an endless string of data brokers)
  • pj_mukh 2mo ago
    "put their faces in a recognition database" Just so we're clear and can read past the headlines. This database doesn't exist and there has been no evidence that a database built off of meta ray-bans exists. And I would obviously dump the ray bans if this was actually a thing.
    • codeduck 2mo ago
      Doesn't it? The technology exists to build it. The pipelines exist to populate it. The marketing engine exists to leverage it for targeted delivery of content. And yet, somehow, nobody's built it? How sure are you of that?
      • pj_mukh 2mo ago
        How would it be monetized? And if it has been, where can I buy this? And if you can't doesn't that make you question your assumptions?
        • ben_w 2mo ago
          > How would it be monetized? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Facebook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Facebook > And if it has been, where can I buy this? Depending on your preference: their advertising portal, or a stock broker.
      • r_lee 2mo ago
        and the technology exists to spy on everything you do in every single way, ignore gdpr, ignore all kinds of privacy acts, in fact you can also stalk people and find out where they live and break into their homes and look through their stuff and plant hidden cameras and other fun stuff you can do that, but you have no clue as to why people/companies don't tend to do those things?
• sldjfkdsljffkjd 2mo ago
  To say a phone is intrusive but Meta glasses are not is an interesting choice of words. As a parent, I get what you mean but as a privacy aware member of the tech community I think the word you want is "disruptive" or "distracting."
• hamdingers 2mo ago
  > without making the phone camera an ever present intrusion while outdoors You don't have to be constantly filming your kids, that's optional. This is a cute spin, but what you're saying is "I like the glasses because I can film people without them knowing" it just happens the people in this case are (mostly) your children.
  • pj_mukh 2mo ago
    >> what you're saying is "I like the knives because I can cut things" it just happens the "things" in this case are (mostly) your vegetables. Again, I'm not saying this out of some bad faith, I just think this argument doesn't work the way you think it does. We actually have no data as to what its most commonly used for, apart from the headlines. Anecdotally, all my friends who have them use it for the exact same reason I do.
    • hamdingers 2mo ago
      Good analogy. If there was a tool that could do everything a knife can do without being able to cut people, knives wouldn't be nearly as common and anyone who insisted on carrying one in public would be suspect. "I need it to cut vegetables," would not be a reasonable excuse, because there's an alternative. There is an alternative to your stealthy camera glasses, which you are aware of, and your admitted use case for them is filming people who are unaware that you are filming. Yet you can't imagine other people use them for the same purpose? I'm trying to assume good faith but you're not making it easy.
      • pj_mukh 2mo ago
        "your admitted use case is filming people who are unaware you are filming" For the record the "people" here is my 2 year old. And I'm the one making a bad faith argument?
        • hamdingers 2mo ago
          So because you use them to stealthily film your 2 year old, there's no way other people use them to stealthy film other people in less acceptable ways? This confirms it, you're being deliberately obtuse.
• HWR_14 2mo ago
  Why shouldn't I tell you not to take pictures of your kids. They're too young to opt into having their faces enrolled in Zuck's facial recognition database.
  • pj_mukh 2mo ago
    What database is that? If your claim is to not post it on Facebook, I agree.
    • HWR_14 2mo ago
      Meta has a history of siphoning any data they technically can. Do you really think those "local only" photographs are going to remain so? There will never be a point where you miss the EULA change and don't opt out in the 45 seconds before the data are all uploaded?
      • pj_mukh 2mo ago
        They have to notify me of the EULA change. Like I said there’s an army of journalists watching Zuckerberg type every key on his keyboard right now. I’m not feeling bad for him, but I’m also betting he’s not about to do something stupid like that.
        • HWR_14 2mo ago
          I would not trust my kids safety to "Zuckerberg will be restrained by the possibility of bad press". And at this point, let me say you seem to care about your kids and probably have the technical skills and attention to make sure they never end up in his database. But you are an exception, and society needs to protect the children of parents who care less.