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Good Lord what a dystopian hellscape America must've been before Flock! How did police solve anything?

datsci_est_2015 2mo ago
Almost nothing like what is seen in police procedural television series, that’s for sure. Although there is (allegedly) a fun feedback loop that cops more and more expect their jobs to be like police procedurals and try to solve crime as if reality was shaped by Dick Wolf. Imagine coding like it’s shown in the Matrix, or Grandma’s Boy.
clovoak 2mo ago
Well, that's the thing. Many crimes weren't solved, for precisely the problem that Flock solves. I never thought I'd rally in support of mass surveillance, but when criminals can brazenly flee a scene and not be pulled over because pulling over a suspicious vehicle is now considered "profiling". I find myself supporting an idea I used to be against.
- Larrikin 2mo ago
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  - dang 2mo ago
    We've asked you before not to attack other users. We ban accounts that keep doing this, so if you'd please stop doing this, we'd appreciate it. You can make your substantive points without it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- watwut 2mo ago
  > when criminals can brazenly flee a scene and not be pulled over because pulling over a suspicious vehicle is now considered "profiling" You know full well that stopping a know car fleeing the robber and profiling are two massively different actions. They are not the same thing at all. Also, it would be nice if people stopped fantasying about crime and basing their arguments on cool movies scenes.
ozim 2mo ago
Have you ever been a victim of a non-violent crime? Loads of those just fall through the cracks of the system. "solving the case" is mostly keeping all documented until they stumble on to something obvious, like already known perp having your stuff hidden in his stashing place while they go grab him for something unrelated.
- ApolloFortyNine 2mo ago
  In my city's subreddit, last week there was both a post complaining about the police not doing anything about a car break in, and a post complaining about flock on the front page. People hate all kinds of things police do until they need the police to do something. If you don't have video evidence the vast majority of non violent crimes go unsolved. How many manhours is a car break in worth, or a break in? Especially when the end result more than likely is still not enough to convict someone on.
  - Larrikin 2mo ago
    Rings surveillance network and the huge network of private CCTVs has shown even with video evidence cops refuse to do their job if nobody is dead. If you get a package stolen in apartment complex, the PMs won't let anyone but police see the footage and the police will not come out to view the footage. Cameras stopped being a deterrent when criminals realized there are no consequences when they are caught on camera. The police will however stalk and harass their partners, people they personally dislike, etc because they can view the footage at their leisure.
  - walls 2mo ago
    The lack of cameras is absolutely not what's stopping police from doing their job, its the complete lack of accountability or responsibility.
    - ApolloFortyNine 2mo ago
      Someone breaks into a car. There is no camera, no witnesses immediately came forward. Please do tell me what you want the police department to do here.

datsci_est_2015 2mo ago

Almost nothing like what is seen in police procedural television series, that’s for sure. Although there is (allegedly) a fun feedback loop that cops more and more expect their jobs to be like police procedurals and try to solve crime as if reality was shaped by Dick Wolf. Imagine coding like it’s shown in the Matrix, or Grandma’s Boy.

clovoak 2mo ago

Well, that's the thing. Many crimes weren't solved, for precisely the problem that Flock solves. I never thought I'd rally in support of mass surveillance, but when criminals can brazenly flee a scene and not be pulled over because pulling over a suspicious vehicle is now considered "profiling". I find myself supporting an idea I used to be against.

Larrikin 2mo ago
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- dang 2mo ago
  We've asked you before not to attack other users. We ban accounts that keep doing this, so if you'd please stop doing this, we'd appreciate it. You can make your substantive points without it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
watwut 2mo ago
> when criminals can brazenly flee a scene and not be pulled over because pulling over a suspicious vehicle is now considered "profiling" You know full well that stopping a know car fleeing the robber and profiling are two massively different actions. They are not the same thing at all. Also, it would be nice if people stopped fantasying about crime and basing their arguments on cool movies scenes.

ozim 2mo ago

Have you ever been a victim of a non-violent crime? Loads of those just fall through the cracks of the system. "solving the case" is mostly keeping all documented until they stumble on to something obvious, like already known perp having your stuff hidden in his stashing place while they go grab him for something unrelated.

ApolloFortyNine 2mo ago
In my city's subreddit, last week there was both a post complaining about the police not doing anything about a car break in, and a post complaining about flock on the front page. People hate all kinds of things police do until they need the police to do something. If you don't have video evidence the vast majority of non violent crimes go unsolved. How many manhours is a car break in worth, or a break in? Especially when the end result more than likely is still not enough to convict someone on.
- Larrikin 2mo ago
  Rings surveillance network and the huge network of private CCTVs has shown even with video evidence cops refuse to do their job if nobody is dead. If you get a package stolen in apartment complex, the PMs won't let anyone but police see the footage and the police will not come out to view the footage. Cameras stopped being a deterrent when criminals realized there are no consequences when they are caught on camera. The police will however stalk and harass their partners, people they personally dislike, etc because they can view the footage at their leisure.
- walls 2mo ago
  The lack of cameras is absolutely not what's stopping police from doing their job, its the complete lack of accountability or responsibility.
  - ApolloFortyNine 2mo ago
    Someone breaks into a car. There is no camera, no witnesses immediately came forward. Please do tell me what you want the police department to do here.