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I was wondering the other day, while reading about a woman thrown in jail based on a false report form Flock... How can Flock be fully insulated from the conseq

I was wondering the other day, while reading about a woman thrown in jail based on a false report form Flock... How can Flock be fully insulated from the consequences of making thousands of false reports to the police? People can go to prison for less.

voakbasda 2mo ago
The same way my neighbors are insulated from consequences when they make an outright false complaint: they claim that they believed the information was true.
fn-mote 2mo ago
Exaggeration does not improve dialogue. People go to prison for providing incorrect data without malicious intent? Are you sure? Anyway, working under contract with the police is not the same as calling in a report. Even if you wish it were.
- treyd 2mo ago
  There is such thing as criminal negligence. Not saying that's what happened here, but people do sometimes go to prison for being uniquely bad at their jobs.
- datsci_est_2015 2mo ago
  I would like to live in a world where Flock is liable for providing unreliable insights to law enforcement, who then use it to infringe upon civil liberties. If they’re not liable in specific circumstances, then at least they’re liable on aggregate for false claims of reliability. Lots of forensic science is dubious, if not quackery. At least in court as the accused you can challenge such evidence with expert testimony. The uncharitable interpretation of your comment is that it would be just fine and dandy if citizens had no redress against Flock and law enforcement due to poor insights.
cucumber3732842 2mo ago
>How can Flock be fully insulated from the consequences of making thousands of false reports to the police? People can go to prison for less. Bad shit has always been tolerated when done in furtherance of the state's goals.
- datsci_est_2015 2mo ago
  It would be interesting to me who you identify as “the state” in America in 2026, especially given the bureaucratic and executive upheaval of the past two years, and the newly-formed relationships between corporations and government agencies.
  - pjc50 2mo ago
    Much of this is local police, who are semantically "the state" even if they are nominally decentralized.
    - datsci_est_2015 2mo ago
      The implication of “local” in “local police” is that the demand for flock has grown organically without a centralized strategy. I wouldn’t discount the role of the law enforcement industry, with prior greatest hits including Street Cop Conference, Bulletproof Warrior, Killology, etc. Imagine all the scumminess and questionable ethics of pharmaceutical reps, but instead of a medical treatment, its ways to infringe on your civil liberties.

voakbasda 2mo ago

The same way my neighbors are insulated from consequences when they make an outright false complaint: they claim that they believed the information was true.

fn-mote 2mo ago

Exaggeration does not improve dialogue. People go to prison for providing incorrect data without malicious intent? Are you sure? Anyway, working under contract with the police is not the same as calling in a report. Even if you wish it were.

treyd 2mo ago
There is such thing as criminal negligence. Not saying that's what happened here, but people do sometimes go to prison for being uniquely bad at their jobs.
datsci_est_2015 2mo ago
I would like to live in a world where Flock is liable for providing unreliable insights to law enforcement, who then use it to infringe upon civil liberties. If they’re not liable in specific circumstances, then at least they’re liable on aggregate for false claims of reliability. Lots of forensic science is dubious, if not quackery. At least in court as the accused you can challenge such evidence with expert testimony. The uncharitable interpretation of your comment is that it would be just fine and dandy if citizens had no redress against Flock and law enforcement due to poor insights.

cucumber3732842 2mo ago

>How can Flock be fully insulated from the consequences of making thousands of false reports to the police? People can go to prison for less. Bad shit has always been tolerated when done in furtherance of the state's goals.

datsci_est_2015 2mo ago
It would be interesting to me who you identify as “the state” in America in 2026, especially given the bureaucratic and executive upheaval of the past two years, and the newly-formed relationships between corporations and government agencies.
- pjc50 2mo ago
  Much of this is local police, who are semantically "the state" even if they are nominally decentralized.
  - datsci_est_2015 2mo ago
    The implication of “local” in “local police” is that the demand for flock has grown organically without a centralized strategy. I wouldn’t discount the role of the law enforcement industry, with prior greatest hits including Street Cop Conference, Bulletproof Warrior, Killology, etc. Imagine all the scumminess and questionable ethics of pharmaceutical reps, but instead of a medical treatment, its ways to infringe on your civil liberties.