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> Perhaps it’s the local summer diet of deep-fried cheese curds, corn on the cob, and Spotted Cow, but Wisconsin residents have been feeling pretty dyspeptic ab
by lapcat 2mo ago
> Perhaps it’s the local summer diet of deep-fried cheese curds, corn on the cob, and Spotted Cow, but Wisconsin residents have been feeling pretty dyspeptic about Flock’s automated license plate cameras.
Or... perhaps it's because Wisconsin is a hotbed of progressive politics? Especially in the Madison area.
Wisconsin is a "purple" state, but that's somewhat misleading, because the people aren't generally "centrist". Rather, the state is deeply divided between left wing and right wing, as evidenced by Wisconsin's polar opposite Senators Tammy Baldwin and Ron Johnson.
- spiderfarmer 2mo agoHow many right wingers will be left now support for Trump is crumbling?
- pixl97 2mo agoAll of them I'd reckon. I don't imagine they'll suddenly become liberals, they'll just follow the next leader in the cult of personality.
- bluGill 2mo agoRight vs left wing is a silly idea. What does my position on health care have to do with my position on defense? Now consider the above question, but substitution any two of the thousands of different things the government does. At best the two are a loose alignment, but there is no unity. Support for Trump is not crumbling. His base still supports him. What is crumbling is the alliance of "right wing" people who never really liked/supported Trump, but were willing to accept him for the alliance. This is enough to turn the next election, but the "right wing" (again, whatever that is...) is still there and mostly hasn't change positions.
- nancyminusone 2mo ago>What does my position on health care have to do with my position on defense? Plenty if you're in charge of allocating finite resources. Look up "guns vs butter"
- bluGill 2mo agoYou so completely lost my point that I can't even figure out how you got to your reply from mine (after reading both again), much less how to get you back on track. I know I'm not the best writer, but I didn't think I'm that bad. I'm only responding at all in hopes that someone can help me understand the confusion and perhaps explain things in a way you can understand.
- amazingamazing 2mo agoI remember similar things said 6 months before the 2024 election
- edgyquant 2mo agoHowever unpopular Trump is he still has a double digit lead over how unpopular the Democratic Party is.
- Steltek 2mo agoThe explanation there seems pretty obvious. Simplified: Trump's disapproval is all Democrats. DNC's disapproval is all Republicans plus many/most Democrats (for not opposing Trump hard enough).
- AngryData 2mo agoWell and leftist voters don't like neoliberals that seemingly sit around finding knew ways to jerk off corporations while pretending they are doing it for the working class.
- edgyquant 2mo agoI would really disagree that opposing Trump hard enough is the reason. It’s probably the opposite, the entire party has become “oppose Trump” and has treated that like a platform instead of doing things actual voters want.
- mschuster91 2mo agoMore than enough to give the next one who isn't a deranged madman their full support
- cucumber3732842 2mo ago>Or... perhaps it's because Wisconsin is a hotbed of progressive politics? Especially in the Madison area. Ah, yes, Wisconsin. Famously more progressive than the bordering states of Michigan, Minnesota and Illinois (I'll give you Iowa). Attitudes on surveillance follow economics more than anything else.
- lapcat 2mo ago> Ah, yes, Wisconsin. Famously more progressive than the bordering states of Michigan, Minnesota and Illinois Wisconsin actually is famously progressive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Progressive_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Progressive_Party "Milwaukee is a city where socialists have found success to a greater extent than any other U.S. city" https://uwm.edu/lib-collections/mke-socialism/ https://uwm.edu/lib-collections/mke-socialism/
- felixgallo 2mo agohttps://www.politico.com/2024-election/results/wisconsin/ https://www.politico.com/2024-election/results/wisconsin/
- lapcat 2mo agoDo you believe that this somehow contradicts my point? You show an election result with a very small margin, less than 1%. I said in my original comment that Wisconsin is a purple state, "deeply divided between left wing and right wing, as evidenced by Wisconsin's polar opposite Senators Tammy Baldwin and Ron Johnson." Wisconsin is a hotbed of progressive politics. It's also a hotbed of regressive politics. Nowadays the urban/rural difference tends to be very stark.
- philipallstar 2mo agoJust because one side calls themselves Progressive, doesn't make the other side regressive.
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- datsci_est_2015 2mo agoIt’s not as uninteresting as you imply. There’s also a strong union-blue presence (also seen on the south side of Chicago), where there are swaths of blue collar union workers who vote blue due to financial progressivism rather than social progressivism. You’ll find pockets of people who have no problem pulling out racial slurs but also voted for Kamala. There’s also what I call the “Janesville conservative”, or people who likely worked or know someone who worked for Scott Walker and/or Paul Ryan. Their politics are much more conservative coastal elite / country club rather rural / pastoral.
- lapcat 2mo ago> It’s not as uninteresting as you imply. Uninteresting? > There’s also a strong union-blue presence The largest number of union members in Wisconsin may be government workers. (Incidentally, the outgoing Governor was originally a public school teacher.) > people who likely worked or know someone who worked for Scott Walker and/or Paul Ryan. What do you mean by "worked for"? If you meant that literally, it wouldn't be an electorally significant number of people.
- datsci_est_2015 2mo agoWRT "uninteresting", this phrasing I found reductive to the rather interesting political dynamics in Wisconsin: > Wisconsin is a "purple" state, but that's somewhat misleading, because the people aren't generally "centrist". Rather, the state is deeply divided between left wing and right wing, as evidenced by Wisconsin's polar opposite Senators Tammy Baldwin and Ron Johnson. WRT union-blue presence, I'm speaking from a position of firsthand experience: friends and family who are union-blue and not public sector workers. Paper mill workers and railroaders, specifically. WRT "worked for", you'll notice my full phrasing included "or know someone who worked for". Janesville is not a sprawling metropolis and most people know most people. Paul Ryan and Scott Walker have deep connections with the south-central part of the state, which has a thick flavor of coastal / country club elite that is not found elsewhere in Wisconsin. Ryan and Walker's success in Wisconsin is interesting given how much they were not rural yokels and would stick out like a sore thumb in most taverns north of the conifer line. Ron Johnson was part of that same anti-Obama political wave, but he's maintained his presence by embracing MAGA in a way that Ryan and Walker never did. There is some centrism in there, especially if you consider that MAGA is further right than the Tea Party, and have probably successfully shifted the Overton window.