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For me the main difference is if the activity is clandestine and meant to deceive/hide the origin. Everybody tries to influence things their way. Doing it cover
by Paradigma11 2mo ago
For me the main difference is if the activity is clandestine and meant to deceive/hide the origin. Everybody tries to influence things their way. Doing it covertly is a hostile act. That does not mean that I would not condone hostile acts against my/our enemies but it is something take into account. And regarding your Russian examples, it showed for how long they have seen the west as enemies and conducted hostile acts.
- smalllangmodel 2mo ago[flagged]
- kakacik 2mo agoThats rather simple to understand, for somebody coming from eastern Europe. russian mentality permeated entire region during their enslavement of what is now eastern EU bloc for +-40 years, to have a battleground for nuclear war with west that never came. It happens when all your politics is orchestrated in moscow and you have almost a million soldiers deployed in bases all over the place for decades, with nuclear weapons and all that. See, russians have massive inferiority complex. Against everybody, but mostly the more successful ones, meaning west in many aspects. Their approach to, well, everything is vastly ineffective, corruption, nepotism and similar stuff grinds any attempt at progress to almost halt. Just go there and see for yourself, they have money literally sticking out of ground left and right yet outside moscow and st petersburg you are in central Africa in terms of development. All this, propagated to 21st century where everybody seems to go ahead of them. A lot of frustration, envy and schadenfreude. A (correct) feeling russia is left behind and becoming insignificant local force at best, and laughing stock of whole world more realistically. Plus, human life is generally almost worthless there, its mafia state pyramid to the core. With all that, its vastly easier to keep reinventing enemies that are always guilty at damaging poor old russia, rather than cleaning up that clusterfuck and actually owning the shit they created for themselves. Its enough for general population. There is not much more actual stuff to the question 'why west', rest is just PR for simpler folks. A dictator never wants smart, strong and free population, double that for russia. Downtrodden, hopeless desperate folks are much easier to manage and manipulate.
- smalllangmodel 2mo agoWell, you could also look at the history and cold war and NATO and so on, but sure, the Orcs are just having inferiority complexes!
- hlynurd 2mo agoIs there a specific point you want to make or are you just vagueposting?
- pjc50 2mo agoTankie. Possibly mechanized (AI) tankie, these days.
- jasonvorhe 2mo agoSure, criticism of NATO is always pro-Russian disinfo. Just as with Israel and being antiseptic.
- pjc50 2mo agoIsrael has carried out a massively destructive war of aggression against civilians, and NATO .. hasn't.
- pandaman 2mo agohttps://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19950911,00.html https://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19950911,00.htm...
- jasonvorhe 2mo agoEven Wikipedia doesn't hide it and yet here you are, stating this. Shameful.
- ahartmetz 2mo agoRussia has been a corrupt, inefficient and jealous country for at least the last 300 years or so. NATO was not necessary to continue that great tradition.
- Paradigma11 2mo agoNot a lot since WW2.
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- aa-jv 2mo agoThey view certain components of "The West" as their enemy - indeed, the very organizations which conduct the same operations against the Russian people.
- rbanffy 2mo agoThere are no enemies - they are competing parts - competing for popularity, resources, power. This makes it possible to negotiate. Enemies don't, but competitors are a lot more pragmatic.
- MomsAVoxell 2mo agoAnglo-/Western and Russian governments have been strategic rivals for more than two centuries. Britain repeatedly sought to limit Russian expansion that threatened its own interests, such as routes to India, access to Caspian oil resources, etc. See also, the Great Game and the Eastern Question. They’re enemies because they want each others stuff. Russia has a LOT of stuff that the British would be quite happy to ‘manage’.
- rbanffy 2mo ago> Russia has a LOT of stuff that the British would be quite happy to ‘manage’. And vice-versa, which results in the polite games being played, where everyone knows everyone else is doing shitty stuff to everyone, but nobody will ever admit it because that might cause the shitty stuff to descend into a shooting war, which is something we try to avoid as much as we can.
- MomsAVoxell 2mo agoNot any more we don’t. We’re actively attempting to start war with Russia and it is happening.
- Paradigma11 2mo agoFrom approx 2008 on Russia has conducted operations that are in no way ideological but have only the goal to destabilize western nations. Supporting extremist parties of all orientations, magnifying events in their propaganda to maximize discord without any ideological consistency. They also quite frequently kill people on western soil. Sometimes using radioactive and chemical weapons. Please elaborate when the west has done the same in Russia.