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Looks amazing. Just finagle a small solar array for power, some backup batteries and a satellite uplink for the web and I'd be there in a heartbest.

epolanski 2mo ago
But why? You can "isolate" in less isolated places. Also what's the point if the activity you're describing is linking through other people anyway (just over internet).
- ASalazarMX 2mo ago
  I think they'd intend to consume content, not to interact with it, but commenting here discredits my interpretation. Anyway, isolation and solitude seem lovely until you get appendicitis.
  - T3OU-736 2mo ago
    Or a nice tooth issue. Those get even dicier in austere environments.
jambalaya8 2mo ago
Don't think the mall would like that. </sarcasm>
RationPhantoms 2mo ago
Please don't romanticize isolation. We have enough elderly folk existing in dire loneliness in assisted-living facilities and nursing homes who understand the true definition of it.
- applfanboysbgon 2mo ago
  People aren't allowed to enjoy something because other people don't enjoy it? Other people are experiencing something they didn't choose, so nobody should be allowed to choose it?
  - dumberquestions 2mo ago
    I think they're suggesting that those who romanticize it actually just have never truly experienced it, and will not appreciate it if they do.
    - b112 2mo ago
      Exactly, like what happened to me when I tried to be a vegetarian.
      - hermitcrab 2mo ago
        People who try to become vegetarians because they think they should rarely last. You need to want to. (context: vegetarian for 40 years, apart from the occasional bit of white fish).
        thin_carapace 2mo ago
        please somebody bottle this lesson distill it and start teaching it to kids using a framework of similar pro social behaviour
      - jambalaya8 2mo ago
        Hmm. I think you sorta need to feel "you should" before you "want to", for most people. I have gone through periods of veganism, lacto-vegetarianism, ovo-lacto vegetarianism, ovo-lacto-pescatarian (and with and without poultry), etc. At the end of the day, my body was not built to be vegetarian in any capacity. It stops working properly without red meat, even (even when I try to supplement iron in other ways, my body literally does not function properly). I can go without chicken, but not other animal sources. It's a shame; I sort of didn't mind the food if it was prepared properly, but it is dangerous to suggest everyone can follow the same diet.
        b112 2mo ago
        This is somewhat, what happened to me. I found I lost all energy, and my strength was about half what it was. We all have unique biomes in our gut, and they're tailored to us. If you lose it, eg something kills all your gut bacteria, you will be very sick. The only cure is to have a transplant from a relative. Literally fecal matter is taken from a donar, pureed, and shoved up your wahzoo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_microbiota_transplant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_microbiota_transplant My point? Your and my gut bacteria may need meat, and it could be why some cannot do the vegan thing. If your gut bacteria isn't happy, you aren't. And you can't just swap that out.
- Barrin92 2mo ago
  as is often pointed out, loneliness and solitude are two different things. The latter, especially in nature, can be a very formative and restorative experience.
  - gkanai 2mo ago
    Solitude by choice is one thing. Leaving when you want to, returning to a life with more connections, etc. These men are probably doing this job because it is work they can get.
fierycatnet 2mo ago
Same... that's the goal now. Try to get a place somewhere remote, cabin, fireplace, books, Starlink, maybe a diesel truck and couple of dogs.
- Makeitmakesense 2mo ago
  Are you open to the other tasks this life requires or are you just looking for western comfort but in a place far from whatever you have now? Living out here means dealing with real problems because there is no infrastructure. You need to know how to survive if that solar panels break and you need 2 weeks to get a new ones. What happens if the food delivery couldn't make it for one extra week because the one guy who flies that out is sick. Can you handle illness without medicine or a doctor for a few days. etc.. The people shown in this article live very differently then the starlink solar van campers who work in tech and glamp out in the Sierra Nevda on Saturday night.
  - fierycatnet 2mo ago
    I grew up in post-USSR state and living in those conditions was part of my childhood. I understand the limitations. I'm just tired of city life and all property has been sold by my parents. I would be okay living 50 miles away from a major city like a lot of folks do here in Texas. My initial comment was perhaps a little ambitious, but I'm not a hermit. The issue is, living out in the country is probably more expensive than my current situation.
  - jambalaya8 2mo ago
    I think a lot of people want the feeling of being in that sort of space without any of the hard parts. I personally would settle for being a few miles from the nearest person (maybe ten), a well-fenced-off property with a safe well, a good electric fence around it all, some weapons to protect myself, a couple of dogs, a handful of kittens, a place to store food, a good connection to the net (not starlink; I would settle for something a bit slower and terrestrial), some farm animals which procreate reasonably fast, and a decent diesel truck.
    - 2mo ago
Aboutplants 2mo ago
Take a 2 week long vacation deep somewhere doing just this, you will appreciate it but more than likely come to realize it is not something you would prefer long term. If you can find a middle ground, to me that’s the dream.
- alexpotato 2mo ago
  During COVID lockdown with: - my wife - au pair - 3 kids (all under 5) - dog I thought that was plenty of human interaction (I'm somewhat extroverted) until we had a friend come over and chat with us outside on the porch. I couldn't believe how, for lack of a better word, "refreshing" it felt. It was an excellent reminder that we are largely social creatures who also need some variety in the social circles we interact with.
  - adrianN 2mo ago
    At least the extroverts among us.
    - m463 2mo ago
      Many (most) introverts turn into extremely chatty individuals when talking to the right person regarding the right subject(s).
      - thaumasiotes 2mo ago
        How does that support the idea that they need variety in who they're socializing with?
      - S_Bear 2mo ago
        I read something a while ago that said a lot of 'introverts' are just extroverts with social anxiety.
    - kakacik 2mo ago
      Introverts behave (almost) the same among their close ones. Its just that that bar of social need fills up much quicker
gkanai 2mo ago
I think it looks romantic from the perspective of someone in a major metro area. But long term, that sort of lifestyle is only for the people who can really endure that. After a while I think most would not want that remoteness.

epolanski 2mo ago

But why? You can "isolate" in less isolated places. Also what's the point if the activity you're describing is linking through other people anyway (just over internet).

ASalazarMX 2mo ago
I think they'd intend to consume content, not to interact with it, but commenting here discredits my interpretation. Anyway, isolation and solitude seem lovely until you get appendicitis.
- T3OU-736 2mo ago
  Or a nice tooth issue. Those get even dicier in austere environments.

jambalaya8 2mo ago

Don't think the mall would like that. </sarcasm>

RationPhantoms 2mo ago

Please don't romanticize isolation. We have enough elderly folk existing in dire loneliness in assisted-living facilities and nursing homes who understand the true definition of it.

applfanboysbgon 2mo ago
People aren't allowed to enjoy something because other people don't enjoy it? Other people are experiencing something they didn't choose, so nobody should be allowed to choose it?
- dumberquestions 2mo ago
  I think they're suggesting that those who romanticize it actually just have never truly experienced it, and will not appreciate it if they do.
  - b112 2mo ago
    Exactly, like what happened to me when I tried to be a vegetarian.
    - hermitcrab 2mo ago
      People who try to become vegetarians because they think they should rarely last. You need to want to. (context: vegetarian for 40 years, apart from the occasional bit of white fish).
      - thin_carapace 2mo ago
        please somebody bottle this lesson distill it and start teaching it to kids using a framework of similar pro social behaviour
    - jambalaya8 2mo ago
      Hmm. I think you sorta need to feel "you should" before you "want to", for most people. I have gone through periods of veganism, lacto-vegetarianism, ovo-lacto vegetarianism, ovo-lacto-pescatarian (and with and without poultry), etc. At the end of the day, my body was not built to be vegetarian in any capacity. It stops working properly without red meat, even (even when I try to supplement iron in other ways, my body literally does not function properly). I can go without chicken, but not other animal sources. It's a shame; I sort of didn't mind the food if it was prepared properly, but it is dangerous to suggest everyone can follow the same diet.
      - b112 2mo ago
        This is somewhat, what happened to me. I found I lost all energy, and my strength was about half what it was. We all have unique biomes in our gut, and they're tailored to us. If you lose it, eg something kills all your gut bacteria, you will be very sick. The only cure is to have a transplant from a relative. Literally fecal matter is taken from a donar, pureed, and shoved up your wahzoo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_microbiota_transplant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_microbiota_transplant My point? Your and my gut bacteria may need meat, and it could be why some cannot do the vegan thing. If your gut bacteria isn't happy, you aren't. And you can't just swap that out.
Barrin92 2mo ago
as is often pointed out, loneliness and solitude are two different things. The latter, especially in nature, can be a very formative and restorative experience.
- gkanai 2mo ago
  Solitude by choice is one thing. Leaving when you want to, returning to a life with more connections, etc. These men are probably doing this job because it is work they can get.

fierycatnet 2mo ago

Same... that's the goal now. Try to get a place somewhere remote, cabin, fireplace, books, Starlink, maybe a diesel truck and couple of dogs.

Makeitmakesense 2mo ago
Are you open to the other tasks this life requires or are you just looking for western comfort but in a place far from whatever you have now? Living out here means dealing with real problems because there is no infrastructure. You need to know how to survive if that solar panels break and you need 2 weeks to get a new ones. What happens if the food delivery couldn't make it for one extra week because the one guy who flies that out is sick. Can you handle illness without medicine or a doctor for a few days. etc.. The people shown in this article live very differently then the starlink solar van campers who work in tech and glamp out in the Sierra Nevda on Saturday night.
- fierycatnet 2mo ago
  I grew up in post-USSR state and living in those conditions was part of my childhood. I understand the limitations. I'm just tired of city life and all property has been sold by my parents. I would be okay living 50 miles away from a major city like a lot of folks do here in Texas. My initial comment was perhaps a little ambitious, but I'm not a hermit. The issue is, living out in the country is probably more expensive than my current situation.
- jambalaya8 2mo ago
  I think a lot of people want the feeling of being in that sort of space without any of the hard parts. I personally would settle for being a few miles from the nearest person (maybe ten), a well-fenced-off property with a safe well, a good electric fence around it all, some weapons to protect myself, a couple of dogs, a handful of kittens, a place to store food, a good connection to the net (not starlink; I would settle for something a bit slower and terrestrial), some farm animals which procreate reasonably fast, and a decent diesel truck.
  - 2mo ago

Aboutplants 2mo ago

Take a 2 week long vacation deep somewhere doing just this, you will appreciate it but more than likely come to realize it is not something you would prefer long term. If you can find a middle ground, to me that’s the dream.

alexpotato 2mo ago
During COVID lockdown with: - my wife - au pair - 3 kids (all under 5) - dog I thought that was plenty of human interaction (I'm somewhat extroverted) until we had a friend come over and chat with us outside on the porch. I couldn't believe how, for lack of a better word, "refreshing" it felt. It was an excellent reminder that we are largely social creatures who also need some variety in the social circles we interact with.
- adrianN 2mo ago
  At least the extroverts among us.
  - m463 2mo ago
    Many (most) introverts turn into extremely chatty individuals when talking to the right person regarding the right subject(s).
    - thaumasiotes 2mo ago
      How does that support the idea that they need variety in who they're socializing with?
    - S_Bear 2mo ago
      I read something a while ago that said a lot of 'introverts' are just extroverts with social anxiety.
  - kakacik 2mo ago
    Introverts behave (almost) the same among their close ones. Its just that that bar of social need fills up much quicker

gkanai 2mo ago

I think it looks romantic from the perspective of someone in a major metro area. But long term, that sort of lifestyle is only for the people who can really endure that. After a while I think most would not want that remoteness.