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Laws and public policy is being made to tackle those things. Should we not tackle the other deaths (being caused by guns) as well?

by rmc 14y ago

tsotha 14y ago
Not if it means we have to give up freedoms. The problem just isn't that significant.
- jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
  "freedoms"; what a concept, freedom to what exactly? freedom to easily kill I am guessing... because that being the case you should allow the posetion and creation of nuclear weapons by any USA citizen; those things give a lot of freedom to kill.
  - tsotha 14y ago
    Freedom to self defense is pretty fundamental in my book. As we like to say, when seconds count the police are only minutes away. It's probably different in your country, with no crime or violence or anything.
    - jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
      Funny you mention my country; because just here in my City, the 3° biggest of South America, the amount of murders have reduced significantly since the ban of weapons in the streets; its called Bogota. And you can keep playing to the hypothesis that someday you will need a revolution and guns will be useful, in real life in the present there is just people dying because you have associated your national identity with abusing gunpowder.
      - tsotha 14y ago
        Again, it just doesn't happen often enough that we need new laws.
        jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
        Check your data more closely. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg/800px-Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Ush... >"it just doesn't happen often enough" There is nothing positive about guns; your group illusion of "self-protection" is quickly diminish by the fact that legal guns many times end up in the hands of the criminals, provoking accidents or in hands of mentally unqualified people... so even 1 death is enough.
        tsotha 14y ago
        My data is just fine, thank you. >There is nothing positive about guns; your group illusion of "self-protection" is quickly diminish by the fact that legal guns many times end up in the hands of the criminals, provoking accidents or in hands of mentally unqualified people... so even 1 death is enough. The idea that "even 1 death is enough" to take away a basic human right is just plain idiotic. How many times have assaults and murders been deterred by a gun? That doesn't show up in homicide statistics, does it?
        jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
        How many times a gun has ended in murderer's hands after being bought legally? That doesn't show up in homicide statistics either, does it? Human rights as popularly known are the global rights established by the UN and I am pretty sure they don't mention guns. Or it must be a list of human rights you created yourself that I am not aware of.
        tsotha 14y ago
        >How many times a gun has ended in murderer's hands after being bought legally? That doesn't show up in homicide statistics either, does it? Eh, actually they show up in homicide statistics as, you know, homicides. >Human rights as popularly known are the global rights established by the UN and I am pretty sure they don't mention guns. The UN has no particular legitimacy in the recognition of rights. Human rights are intrinsic, so to a certain extent they're subjective. Clearly you don't believe the right to self defense is a human right, but I think most people would disagree with you.

Laws and public policy is being made to tackle those things. Should we not tackle the other deaths (being caused by guns) as well?

by rmc 14y ago

Laws and public policy is being made to tackle those things. Should we not tackle the other deaths (being caused by guns) as well?

tsotha 14y ago

Not if it means we have to give up freedoms. The problem just isn't that significant.

jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
"freedoms"; what a concept, freedom to what exactly? freedom to easily kill I am guessing... because that being the case you should allow the posetion and creation of nuclear weapons by any USA citizen; those things give a lot of freedom to kill.
- tsotha 14y ago
  Freedom to self defense is pretty fundamental in my book. As we like to say, when seconds count the police are only minutes away. It's probably different in your country, with no crime or violence or anything.
  - jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
    Funny you mention my country; because just here in my City, the 3° biggest of South America, the amount of murders have reduced significantly since the ban of weapons in the streets; its called Bogota. And you can keep playing to the hypothesis that someday you will need a revolution and guns will be useful, in real life in the present there is just people dying because you have associated your national identity with abusing gunpowder.
    - tsotha 14y ago
      Again, it just doesn't happen often enough that we need new laws.
      - jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
        Check your data more closely. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg/800px-Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Ush... >"it just doesn't happen often enough" There is nothing positive about guns; your group illusion of "self-protection" is quickly diminish by the fact that legal guns many times end up in the hands of the criminals, provoking accidents or in hands of mentally unqualified people... so even 1 death is enough.
        tsotha 14y ago
        My data is just fine, thank you. >There is nothing positive about guns; your group illusion of "self-protection" is quickly diminish by the fact that legal guns many times end up in the hands of the criminals, provoking accidents or in hands of mentally unqualified people... so even 1 death is enough. The idea that "even 1 death is enough" to take away a basic human right is just plain idiotic. How many times have assaults and murders been deterred by a gun? That doesn't show up in homicide statistics, does it?
        jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
        How many times a gun has ended in murderer's hands after being bought legally? That doesn't show up in homicide statistics either, does it? Human rights as popularly known are the global rights established by the UN and I am pretty sure they don't mention guns. Or it must be a list of human rights you created yourself that I am not aware of.
        tsotha 14y ago
        >How many times a gun has ended in murderer's hands after being bought legally? That doesn't show up in homicide statistics either, does it? Eh, actually they show up in homicide statistics as, you know, homicides. >Human rights as popularly known are the global rights established by the UN and I am pretty sure they don't mention guns. The UN has no particular legitimacy in the recognition of rights. Human rights are intrinsic, so to a certain extent they're subjective. Clearly you don't believe the right to self defense is a human right, but I think most people would disagree with you.