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Well, it would be a mistake on your part to assume that everything in an organization, especially a large one like github, is a reflection of the capabilities o

Well, it would be a mistake on your part to assume that everything in an organization, especially a large one like github, is a reflection of the capabilities of the state of the art in anything (AI, architecture, programming language, organizational management, operations, etc.). It's clear that updating the status page as quickly as possible isn't even something github cares about.

esseph 2mo ago
> It's clear that updating the status page as quickly as possible isn't even something github cares about. Status pages for large companies are social, political and legal tools, and not technical indicators. It has always been this way, and likely always will unless some laws were passed.
- bethekidyouwant 2mo ago
  Laws? (Is the first one you must have a status page?)
  - esseph 2mo ago
    Yes, laws, regulations. They're fucking useful tools of curbing shitty but not yet illegal behavior that is at BEST a dishonest attempt to avoid contractual accountability. Yes, a fucking law. Maybe a whole set of them!
unknownfuture 2mo ago
It would be a mistake to judge AI based on the performance of one of its strongest pushers and promoters? Interesting take.
- therealdrag0 2mo ago
  My company is heavy on AI promotion, but many many many people still do things sub-optimally, and many systems are still not well integrated/able with AI. “The future is here it’s just not evenly distributed”, and that applies inside companies too. Hard to actually judge without being in the room and knowing the team that owns the incident. And as other said, it’s pretty common IME to have a root cause but slow roll communication of it until remediation has more confidence.
  - Brian_K_White 2mo ago
    It's very easy to judge in the context of how all other service providers are performing on average. It's very easy to hold any service provider responsible for their own words and deeds that no one else demanded nor commanded (selling themselves to MS, moving onto Azure, copilot stuffed into everything, the architectural garbage that is gh actions). It's very easy to judge when most of their difficulties are self-inflicted. You excuse and understand the exception, not the norm.
    - therealdrag0 2mo ago
      Sure all that can be true. I’m just saying none of that implicates AI capabilities.
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- hombre_fatal 2mo ago
  You're basically saying that before you can know if AI is useful to you and your dealings, AI must solve all of a given corporation's problems including all the human/organizational components and even the trivial ones like how serious Github is about updating their status page, something that probably came down to one guy. It's just really weak "AI bad" snark.

esseph 2mo ago

> It's clear that updating the status page as quickly as possible isn't even something github cares about. Status pages for large companies are social, political and legal tools, and not technical indicators. It has always been this way, and likely always will unless some laws were passed.

bethekidyouwant 2mo ago
Laws? (Is the first one you must have a status page?)
- esseph 2mo ago
  Yes, laws, regulations. They're fucking useful tools of curbing shitty but not yet illegal behavior that is at BEST a dishonest attempt to avoid contractual accountability. Yes, a fucking law. Maybe a whole set of them!

unknownfuture 2mo ago

It would be a mistake to judge AI based on the performance of one of its strongest pushers and promoters? Interesting take.

therealdrag0 2mo ago
My company is heavy on AI promotion, but many many many people still do things sub-optimally, and many systems are still not well integrated/able with AI. “The future is here it’s just not evenly distributed”, and that applies inside companies too. Hard to actually judge without being in the room and knowing the team that owns the incident. And as other said, it’s pretty common IME to have a root cause but slow roll communication of it until remediation has more confidence.
- Brian_K_White 2mo ago
  It's very easy to judge in the context of how all other service providers are performing on average. It's very easy to hold any service provider responsible for their own words and deeds that no one else demanded nor commanded (selling themselves to MS, moving onto Azure, copilot stuffed into everything, the architectural garbage that is gh actions). It's very easy to judge when most of their difficulties are self-inflicted. You excuse and understand the exception, not the norm.
  - therealdrag0 2mo ago
    Sure all that can be true. I’m just saying none of that implicates AI capabilities.
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hombre_fatal 2mo ago
You're basically saying that before you can know if AI is useful to you and your dealings, AI must solve all of a given corporation's problems including all the human/organizational components and even the trivial ones like how serious Github is about updating their status page, something that probably came down to one guy. It's just really weak "AI bad" snark.