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Should - I know it's the right thing to do, but nobody else follows the law, and doing so would put me at a competitive disadvantage. Have to - I know it's the

Should - I know it's the right thing to do, but nobody else follows the law, and doing so would put me at a competitive disadvantage. Have to - I know it's the right thing to do, and if I don't, there's a good chance I'll get caught and fined heavily enough that it's not worth the risk. Need to - rules are to be followed, and the alternative is massive fines and/or jail, plus disobeying might make me a social pariah. Will - there is no alternative. (but I'm not sure that's actually true for Asia writ large).

bitwize 2mo ago
I get the feeling that in Asia following the law is secondary to obeisance to superiors. Of course, where these align you get the nicest Asian societies (e.g., Japan, Singapore).
cucumber3732842 2mo ago
Where does "the system was cooked up by assholes a long time ago and far far away to the benefit of incumbent interests and the local enforcers will do literally anything so long as they can maintain plausible deniability and their paychecks" fall on this scale? Because that's how this stuff works most of the time except in places where the incumbent interests dominate and everyone is rich enough to believe their own BS. There's a tendency within certain filter bubbles to portray other parts of the world as blindly law following even including the spirit of the law as a means toward making some point to the tune of saying that people (presumably more local) who don't do that to their own detriment are wrong, bad, whatever. Nobody blindly follows the law to their own detriment unless they're indoctrinated to the point of ignorance. People comply just enough to keep the threats of violence away.
- alistairSH 2mo ago
  Where does "the system was cooked up by assholes a long time ago and far far away to the benefit of incumbent interests and the local enforcers will do literally anything so long as they can maintain plausible deniability and their paychecks" fall on this scale? I think that's almost a universal truth, the must/should/will is all just shades of gray.

bitwize 2mo ago

I get the feeling that in Asia following the law is secondary to obeisance to superiors. Of course, where these align you get the nicest Asian societies (e.g., Japan, Singapore).

cucumber3732842 2mo ago

Where does "the system was cooked up by assholes a long time ago and far far away to the benefit of incumbent interests and the local enforcers will do literally anything so long as they can maintain plausible deniability and their paychecks" fall on this scale? Because that's how this stuff works most of the time except in places where the incumbent interests dominate and everyone is rich enough to believe their own BS. There's a tendency within certain filter bubbles to portray other parts of the world as blindly law following even including the spirit of the law as a means toward making some point to the tune of saying that people (presumably more local) who don't do that to their own detriment are wrong, bad, whatever. Nobody blindly follows the law to their own detriment unless they're indoctrinated to the point of ignorance. People comply just enough to keep the threats of violence away.

alistairSH 2mo ago
Where does "the system was cooked up by assholes a long time ago and far far away to the benefit of incumbent interests and the local enforcers will do literally anything so long as they can maintain plausible deniability and their paychecks" fall on this scale? I think that's almost a universal truth, the must/should/will is all just shades of gray.