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What's the difference between those last three?

• jghn 2mo ago
  "have to": If I don't, they'll shoot me "need to": It is a moral imperative for me to do this "WILL": Because of course this is the case
  • vondur 2mo ago
    I don't know of too many locales in the US that shoot people for unauthorized development.
    • jghn 2mo ago
      I think people can use their critical thinking skills to understand my phrasing was to help make the point to answer the sub-question instead of being taken literally in the context of how legal authorities handle unauthorized development. Especially given the post to which I responded was referring to cultural stances on following laws in general and not this specific situation.
    • nkrisc 2mo ago
      In much of the US if you continually refuse to comply the authorities it will very likely, at some point eventually, escalate to the point where a loaded gun is aimed at you. For civil issues it might take a long time, but at some point you'll probably be in contempt of court and if you then refuse to be arrested, the guns might come out. When people say the government has a monopoly on violence, this is what they mean. Eventually, violence will be used to ensure compliance. Most people comply before that happens, under threat of it.
• alistairSH 2mo ago
  Should - I know it's the right thing to do, but nobody else follows the law, and doing so would put me at a competitive disadvantage. Have to - I know it's the right thing to do, and if I don't, there's a good chance I'll get caught and fined heavily enough that it's not worth the risk. Need to - rules are to be followed, and the alternative is massive fines and/or jail, plus disobeying might make me a social pariah. Will - there is no alternative. (but I'm not sure that's actually true for Asia writ large).
  • bitwize 2mo ago
    I get the feeling that in Asia following the law is secondary to obeisance to superiors. Of course, where these align you get the nicest Asian societies (e.g., Japan, Singapore).
  • cucumber3732842 2mo ago
    Where does "the system was cooked up by assholes a long time ago and far far away to the benefit of incumbent interests and the local enforcers will do literally anything so long as they can maintain plausible deniability and their paychecks" fall on this scale? Because that's how this stuff works most of the time except in places where the incumbent interests dominate and everyone is rich enough to believe their own BS. There's a tendency within certain filter bubbles to portray other parts of the world as blindly law following even including the spirit of the law as a means toward making some point to the tune of saying that people (presumably more local) who don't do that to their own detriment are wrong, bad, whatever. Nobody blindly follows the law to their own detriment unless they're indoctrinated to the point of ignorance. People comply just enough to keep the threats of violence away.
    • alistairSH 2mo ago
      Where does "the system was cooked up by assholes a long time ago and far far away to the benefit of incumbent interests and the local enforcers will do literally anything so long as they can maintain plausible deniability and their paychecks" fall on this scale? I think that's almost a universal truth, the must/should/will is all just shades of gray.