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First off, I don't enjoy the intense kind of Internet surveillance we have today; the advertiser tracking and logging of everywhere we go and everything we see.

First off, I don't enjoy the intense kind of Internet surveillance we have today; the advertiser tracking and logging of everywhere we go and everything we see. I think most sessions should be kept private, just between me, my ISP, and Google/Microsoft. However, I am perfectly fine with Flock (or other) cameras existing and providing services on behalf of government. If the tech exists to watch public spaces all the time and massively process the data, then so be it; who can stop it? So there are abuses: any system can be abused, so improve the controls and stop corruption at its root, not its symptoms. I bet that most anti-Flock people lobby hard for bodycams on police, and they thrive on those amateur social-media videos that appear to depict "police brutality" or "ICE overreach" on the streets. It only seems fair, that if amateur video can be leveraged to whip the public into a righteous frenzy, that professional video networks should be in place as well. Lastly, I don't mind the folks who are chopping down Flock trees. I think it's kind of adorable, actually. I believe that Flock should've used better care and highway safety standards to install the things, rather than hastily throwing them in any open space. You kids with your axes like President Washington's cherry trees! Power to the people!

ozlikethewizard 2mo ago
If you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide, right? Personally I see no worthwhile reason the state should be able to track the location of every person at any time. Phones make this bad enough, but at least that's warrant required and requires active intervention. Passive tracking of everybodies actions through total camera surveillance is a brutal thought, no?
- ButlerianJihad 2mo ago
  No, actually it's more than that. While your premise is true, it's also true that if I have done something wrong then I have no problem being called out and brought to justice on those merits. Someone who is doing wrong hopes to be disciplined. Many criminals secretly just hope to be caught so they can stop doing wrong. It seems nearly absurd that criminals who "have something to hide" continually just cover up more and more and act covertly, as if they could never be found out. If I did something in public that was so egregious that a camera recorded me and it could be used as evidence against me, I hope that it would. Likewise, if I were involved in any dispute or crime, as a witness or victim, and there were surveillance that indicated my role was innocence, bystander, or victimhood, I would hope that the evidence showed that as well. I don't have any illusions, in the face of corruption and oppression, that surveillance will be entirely fair, but it can be widespread and equally applied, and it's only through its ubiquitousness that it will be ultimately effective.
  - jst1fthsdys 2mo ago
    > Someone who is doing wrong hopes to be disciplined. Between the op and this comment you have to be trolling. Or you are so clueless to how the real world works you are equivalent to a child. Either way you shouldn't post.
solid_fuel 2mo ago
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- cindyllm 2mo ago
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- senordevnyc 2mo ago
  lol, I love you calling me pathetic for looking at your comments, and then I find this comment lmao
  - solid_fuel 2mo ago
    What, you endorse torture too? Not too surprising I suppose but disappointing. Crying here is still not going to get you any real friends. Sorry to tell you that. A calculator isn't going to fill that role either but I can get the appeal - calculators don't push back, they don't call you out, they don't tell you to fuck off when you're being annoying.
    - senordevnyc 2mo ago
      It’s funny, aside from AI, I think our views are more aligned than you might think, on Trump, Musk, Israel, ICE, etc. You seem to be a little more towards the progressive end of the scale than me, but generally aligned. Even similar breadth and depth of experience in tech over the last 25 years. Just kind of ironic. For the record, just thought it was funny to see you castigating me for looking at your comments, then to find one where you did the same (plus wished torture on someone because they have wrongthink). Again, I hope you find some peace, and let go of this pointless rage about AI. It’s just a tool. Not worth building your personality around, either for or against.
      - solid_fuel 2mo ago
        > For the record, just thought it was funny to see you castigating me for looking at your comments, then to find one where you did the same (plus wished torture on someone because they have wrongthink). I do want to set the record clear on this - the “wrongthink” in this case was calling torture “life affirming healthcare”, so it’s not really wishing suffering on them, so much as karma. The rest isn’t worth a response.

ozlikethewizard 2mo ago

If you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide, right? Personally I see no worthwhile reason the state should be able to track the location of every person at any time. Phones make this bad enough, but at least that's warrant required and requires active intervention. Passive tracking of everybodies actions through total camera surveillance is a brutal thought, no?

ButlerianJihad 2mo ago
No, actually it's more than that. While your premise is true, it's also true that if I have done something wrong then I have no problem being called out and brought to justice on those merits. Someone who is doing wrong hopes to be disciplined. Many criminals secretly just hope to be caught so they can stop doing wrong. It seems nearly absurd that criminals who "have something to hide" continually just cover up more and more and act covertly, as if they could never be found out. If I did something in public that was so egregious that a camera recorded me and it could be used as evidence against me, I hope that it would. Likewise, if I were involved in any dispute or crime, as a witness or victim, and there were surveillance that indicated my role was innocence, bystander, or victimhood, I would hope that the evidence showed that as well. I don't have any illusions, in the face of corruption and oppression, that surveillance will be entirely fair, but it can be widespread and equally applied, and it's only through its ubiquitousness that it will be ultimately effective.
- jst1fthsdys 2mo ago
  > Someone who is doing wrong hopes to be disciplined. Between the op and this comment you have to be trolling. Or you are so clueless to how the real world works you are equivalent to a child. Either way you shouldn't post.

solid_fuel 2mo ago

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cindyllm 2mo ago
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senordevnyc 2mo ago
lol, I love you calling me pathetic for looking at your comments, and then I find this comment lmao
- solid_fuel 2mo ago
  What, you endorse torture too? Not too surprising I suppose but disappointing. Crying here is still not going to get you any real friends. Sorry to tell you that. A calculator isn't going to fill that role either but I can get the appeal - calculators don't push back, they don't call you out, they don't tell you to fuck off when you're being annoying.
  - senordevnyc 2mo ago
    It’s funny, aside from AI, I think our views are more aligned than you might think, on Trump, Musk, Israel, ICE, etc. You seem to be a little more towards the progressive end of the scale than me, but generally aligned. Even similar breadth and depth of experience in tech over the last 25 years. Just kind of ironic. For the record, just thought it was funny to see you castigating me for looking at your comments, then to find one where you did the same (plus wished torture on someone because they have wrongthink). Again, I hope you find some peace, and let go of this pointless rage about AI. It’s just a tool. Not worth building your personality around, either for or against.
    - solid_fuel 2mo ago
      > For the record, just thought it was funny to see you castigating me for looking at your comments, then to find one where you did the same (plus wished torture on someone because they have wrongthink). I do want to set the record clear on this - the “wrongthink” in this case was calling torture “life affirming healthcare”, so it’s not really wishing suffering on them, so much as karma. The rest isn’t worth a response.